From: Brian Dennis (bdennis@internetworkexpert.com)
Date: Thu Jun 14 2007 - 19:20:03 ART
Please don't take what I said wrong. What I'm saying is that people
should really look into a vendor's "track record" and not get fooled by
fancy marketing and/or flashy websites when searching for CCIE training.
Good Luck!
Brian Dennis, CCIE4 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP)
bdennis@internetworkexpert.com
Internetwork Expert, Inc.
http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
Toll Free: 877-224-8987
Direct: 775-745-6404 (Outside the US and Canada)
-----Original Message-----
From: jslauer@hotmail.com [mailto:jslauer@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 2:51 PM
To: anthony.sequeira@thomson.com; narbikk@gmail.com; Brian Dennis
Cc: broyster9@gmail.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: training material question
I would agree,
counting CCIE's on a vendors website is not a very accurate metric
considering many people use products from multiple vendors and give
testimonials to multiple vendors. Personally, I used products from most
of
the vendors. I only attended one training class (NetmasterClass) and
they
were the bomb. I had good success with all the products with exception
of
one vendor who does not even exist anymore.
Josh
CCIE 16024
----- Original Message -----
From: <anthony.sequeira@thomson.com>
To: <narbikk@gmail.com>; <bdennis@internetworkexpert.com>
Cc: <broyster9@gmail.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 4:41 PM
Subject: RE: training material question
> Counting the peeps on the site is the last thing I would do when
> choosing a vendor. In fact, I would never bother to do it.
>
> After passing using the materials of several vendors, I would
recommend
> the following:
>
> 1. Ask for a sample or tour of the product you are considering.
Evaluate
> the materials carefully.
>
> 2. Explore the Support options that are available with the vendor. Do
> they have chat, forums, 800 numbers, etc. Are these actually monitored
> by qualified employees of that company?
>
> Something else to consider is using multiple vendors. While vendors
> certainly do not want to hear that recommendation, most here,
including
> myself, believe that some vendors excel at certain products compared
to
> others.
>
> Anthony J. Sequeira
> #15626
>
> P.S. I used products from InternetworkExpert and NetMasterClass and
both
> were excellent. Support was lacking at InternetworkExpert, but I
believe
> they have that solved now.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
Of
> Narbik Kocharians
> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 4:00 PM
> To: Brian Dennis
> Cc: Brent Royster; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: training material question
>
> Brian,
>
>
>
> You have a point, but what you fail to mention is the following:
>
>
>
> Your statement does NOT reflect the truth; it fails to mention the
> actual
> number of passing students relative to the number of attendees, which
I
> would surmise to be a low percentage.
>
> If Vendor-1 has 10 students and 3 pass, Vendor-1 has a passing
> percentage of
> 30 percent. But if Vendor-2 has 100 students and only 16 pass,
> Vendor-2's
> ratio is 16 percent, that does not mean that Vendor-2 has a better
> product,
> from Vendor-2's perspective, it has 16 passing students versus 3, but
> the
> truth of the matter is that Vendor-1 has a better percentage and
> product.
>
>
> On 6/14/07, Brian Dennis <bdennis@internetworkexpert.com> wrote:
>>
>> You can get a good idea as to the number of people that are passing
>> using a particular vendor's products and classes by looking over
their
>> CCIE lists and customer feedback. As a side note any vendor that
> tells
>> you it doesn't matter how many people are using their products and
>> classes to pass the CCIE lab won't have a long list of CCIEs on their
>> website ;-)
>>
>> --
>>
>> Brian Dennis, CCIE4 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP)
>> bdennis@internetworkexpert.com
>>
>> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>> http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
>> Toll Free: 877-224-8987
>> Direct: 775-745-6404 (Outside the US and Canada)
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of
>> Brent Royster
>> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 7:06 AM
>> To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> Subject: training material question
>>
>> I am interested in buying one of the class on demand options from
>> multiple
>> vendors. Its mentioned on the websites that these are like full
>> bootcamps.
>> has anyone who passed the lab used this material? If so how well
> would
>> you
>> rate it?
>>
>>
>
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