From: Hoogen (hoogen82@gmail.com)
Date: Fri Jun 08 2007 - 07:33:08 ART
I wouldn't be there and probably would miss this dual. The only other
difference that i notice is that InternetworkExpert offereing to take
feedback suggestions on the document they have posted.
-hoogen
On 6/8/07, jslauer@hotmail.com <jslauer@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> why don't we just settle this with a dual to the death? Networkers is
> coming
> up and maybe it could replace KISS as the frontline entertainment?
>
>
> Josh
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Narbik Kocharians" <narbikk@gmail.com>
> To: "Darby Weaver" <darbyweaver@yahoo.com>
> Cc: "Brian Dennis" <bdennis@internetworkexpert.com>; "Victor Cappuccio"
> <victor@ccbootcamp.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 3:13 AM
> Subject: Re: 3550/3560 feature comparison [mx]
>
> > Girls,
> >
> >
> >
> > I am not sure who is right and who is wrong, but I have one question
> from
> > all of you guys, is it possible that the person that made NLI's website
> > and/or Internetwork expert's website innocently just did a search and
> > copied
> > the page in order to provide a service to the students?
> >
> > I want all of you to understand that neither Internetwork Expert nor NLI
> > are
> > charging the students for that information.
> >
> > I see both Brian and Victor's point in this matter, and I believe its
> > nothing but a simple innocent mistake, since the information is neither
> > NLI's nor Internetwork expert's intellectual property, it's a simple
> > summary
> > of what is freely available on Cisco's website, so basically what we are
> > talking about is the actual format of the documentation, which I believe
> > it
> > sucks any way (just a joke). It's not like these guys copied each others
> > work books.
> >
> > I am sure once both parties talk to the webmaster of their company, they
> > will find out as to what happened and the problem will be corrected
> > (Reformat the freaking document).
> >
> >
> > On 6/7/07, Darby Weaver <darbyweaver@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Everyone,
> >>
> >> Victor only asked why it could not be the other way
> >> around. A reasonable question.
> >>
> >> He has not been at NLI for 6 months just yet as I
> >> recall. Maybe, what, 4 months as I seem to recall.
> >>
> >> Just because he asked the question does not make him
> >> personall unethical. Let's reserve that statement for
> >> the party who actually copied the other company's work
> >> and posted it as their own.
> >>
> >> I know Victor on a more personal level, and I for one,
> >> do not believe he lacks ethics.
> >>
> >> Victor has worked hard to get where he is and just
> >> because he posted a link from his company here on GS,
> >> that looks to be exactly the same as the one of a
> >> competitor does not make him unethical.
> >>
> >> Now, I would wonder when he site posted their page
> >> since it seems to be an "interesting battle of ethics"
> >> between two companies.
> >>
> >> Someone obviously took the time to research the issue
> >> and to figure out which features applied to which
> >> version of IOS.
> >>
> >> So who is right and who is wrong?
> >>
> >> Brian Dennis asserts very strongly that he created
> >> this work orginally and even has a link to it as early
> >> as the date listed/marked on Groupstudy at minimum.
> >> This may very well be the truth.
> >>
> >> Now the question would be how long the link has been
> >> up at NLI (to be fair).
> >>
> >> I am sure Brad Ellis and his team are looking into
> >> this one by now.
> >>
> >> ------------
> >>
> >> But let's not attack an employ of the company who has
> >> not been proven to be personally liable (unless the
> >> company he his working for is willing to put his neck
> >> on the line as well - since this is serious and could
> >> be career-affecting).
> >>
> >> So now the question is:
> >>
> >> When did NLI post their that information on their
> >> site?
> >>
> >> Now if they should be able to produce proof that their
> >> site had it first... are we going to hear an apology?
> >> Or if they don't - again will we here an apology?
> >>
> >> While someone obviously had to submit the information
> >> for posting on NLI's site, and it may have even been
> >> Victor, at the moment none of us, know this to be true
> >> at this time.
> >>
> >> Let's give Victor a small reprieve - he is getting
> >> ready for a CCIE Lab at the moment and I am sure he
> >> personally has better uses for his own mental
> >> energies.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --- Brian Dennis <bdennis@internetworkexpert.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Victor,
> >> > So your company9s website ends up with a document
> >> > that I wrote over 6 months
> >> > ago (see below) and then you have the audacity to
> >> > publicly accuse me of
> >> > stealing it from you? I9ve seen some pretty poor
> >> > ethics on this list over
> >> > the years but I wouldn9t have expected it from you
> >> > personally.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> http://www.groupstudy.com/archives/ccielab/200611/msg00970.html
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> >
> >> > Brian Dennis, CCIE4 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP)
> >> > bdennis@internetworkexpert.com
> >> >
> >> > Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> >> > http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
> >> > Toll Free: 877-224-8987
> >> > Direct: 775-745-6404 (Outside the US and Canada)
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On 6/7/07 5:37 PM, "Victor Cappuccio"
> >> > <victor@ccbootcamp.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Brian,
> >> > >
> >> > > No, I ( WE ) did NOT copy the web page into "the
> >> > company web server", Why
> >> > It
> >> > > could not be as the other way around?
> >> > >
> >> > > I am not the web master of my company web server,
> >> > So I would advice you to
> >> > > address your concerns to support@ccbootcamp.com
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > thanks,
> >> > > Victor Cappuccio.-
> >> > > - CCSI# 31452
> >> > >
> >> > > Network Learning Inc - A Cisco Sponsored
> >> > Organization (SO) YES! We take
> >> > > Cisco Learning credits!
> >> > > victor@ccbootcamp.com
> >> > > http://www.ccbootcamp.com (Cisco Training and
> >> > Rental Racks)
> >> > > http://www.ccbootcamp.com/groupstudy.html
> >> > (groupstudy member discounts!)
> >> > > Voice: 702-968-5100
> >> > > FAX: 702-446-8012
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > -----Original Message-----
> >> > > From: Brian Dennis
> >> > [mailto:bdennis@internetworkexpert.com]
> >> > > Sent: Thu 6/7/2007 8:15
> >> > > To: Victor Cappuccio; thomas.rader@freesurf.ch;
> >> > ccielab@groupstudy.com
> >> > > Subject: Re: 3550/3560 feature comparison [mx]
> >> > >
> >> > > Victor,
> >> > > So you just copied the page that I wrote
> >> > months ago and put it up on
> >> > > your site?
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> http://www.internetworkexpert.com/resources/ccie-3560-3550.htm
> >> > >
> >> > http://www.ccbootcamp.com/tech-notes/3550vs3560.html
> >> > >
> >> > > --
> >> > >
> >> > > Brian Dennis, CCIE4 #2210
> >> > (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP)
> >> > > bdennis@internetworkexpert.com
> >> > >
> >> > > Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> >> > > http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
> >> > > Toll Free: 877-224-8987
> >> > > Direct: 775-745-6404 (Outside the US and Canada)
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > On 6/7/07 12:39 AM, "Victor Cappuccio"
> >> > <victor@ccbootcamp.com> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >> > This link may help you
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >
> >> > http://www.ccbootcamp.com/tech-notes/3550vs3560.html
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > thanks,
> >> > >> > Victor Cappuccio.-
> >> > >> > - CCSI# 31452
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > Network Learning Inc - A Cisco Sponsored
> >> > Organization (SO) YES! We take
> >> > >> > Cisco Learning credits!
> >> > >> > victor@ccbootcamp.com
> >> > >> > http://www.ccbootcamp.com (Cisco Training and
> >> > Rental Racks)
> >> > >> > http://www.ccbootcamp.com/groupstudy.html
> >> > (groupstudy member discounts!)
> >> > >> > Voice: 702-968-5100
> >> > >> > FAX: 702-446-8012
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > >> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com on behalf of
> >> > thomas.rader@freesurf.ch
> >> > >> > Sent: Thu 6/7/2007 0:01
> >> > >> > To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> >> > >> > Subject: 3550/3560 feature comparison
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > Hello,
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > Does anyone have a list of the differences in
> >> > the features between the
> >> > 3550
> >> > &
> >> > >> > 3560 switches?
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > ie, PVLAN support, etc.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > I've only got 3550's in my ccie rack, and am
> >> > trying to do a "gap
> >> > analysis"
> >> > >> to
> >> > >> > see what I need to be aware of.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > Thanks, Thomas
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >
> >> >
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> >
> > --
> > Narbik Kocharians
> > CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
> > CCSI# 30832
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