From: Gary Duncanson (gary.duncanson@googlemail.com)
Date: Fri Jun 08 2007 - 08:16:37 ART
Hi Ruth,
I think it was a typo. For the record there are some great female engineers.
I think we would all struggle without Radia Perlman.
Gary
----- Original Message -----
From: "ruth wainwright" <ruthwainwright@yahoo.com.au>
To: "Darby Weaver" <darbyweaver@yahoo.com>; "Narbik Kocharians"
<narbikk@gmail.com>
Cc: "Brian Dennis" <bdennis@internetworkexpert.com>; "Victor Cappuccio"
<victor@ccbootcamp.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 11:29 AM
Subject: Re: 3550/3560 feature comparison [mx]
>I offended by Narbik's use of the word 'girls' as a derogatory term.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Darby Weaver <darbyweaver@yahoo.com>
> To: Narbik Kocharians <narbikk@gmail.com>
> Cc: Brian Dennis <bdennis@internetworkexpert.com>; Victor Cappuccio
> <victor@ccbootcamp.com>; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Sent: Friday, 8 June, 2007 9:24:57 AM
> Subject: Re: 3550/3560 feature comparison [mx]
>
>
> Funny - I just left a forum and one of the issues was
> about links like these. Albeit, it is the vantage and
> right of the owner of the forum to allow/disallow
> whatever he/she might feel comfortable with - since it
> is ultimately his/her property in question. No
> argument there.
>
> So are links themselves legal or illegal? Do they
> violate copyright to reference them on another site?
> Or if content is copied and with reference to the
> author and/or the url where it was found?
>
> The links used in these examples point to Cisco. I
> have seen links used a lot and mostly everywhere - if
> the information in the link is cited is it copyright
> infringement? Hmmm... I would think not, but perhaps
> I am wrong and what others think is more correct. I
> know people have a cow over pictures and such.
>
> Now in this example we have some references to Cisco's
> content provided by two companies who both sell
> training services so support Cisco's product, to wit,
> the IOS.
>
> However, the dispute is about the actual words used to
> reference Cisco's links on it's own site. Since they
> appear to be identical.
>
> Then we have the idea behind it all, where they are
> mere references with brief descriptions of their
> content and the spirit of the information from both
> parties in question is simply to provide a service
> (information or references), free at that to one's
> customers - some of whom are the same (I am a customer
> of both vendors as an example and judging by the CCIE
> numbers both vendors claim - I am not alone).
>
> Ok - Sleep calls and this is really not my concern -
> unless it ends up putting one of my favorite vendors
> out of business, or if it causes them to miss product
> development deadlines...
>
> Was curious about how the vendors might feel about
> other posting links to content on their site and about
> using examples from their respective site as long as
> it is cited as to where it came from and the author
> was given credit if known.
>
> Any comments on the last paragraph? Preferably by the
> vendors in question or other vendors.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- Narbik Kocharians <narbikk@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Girls,
>>
>>
>>
>> I am not sure who is right and who is wrong, but I
>> have one question from
>> all of you guys, is it possible that the person that
>> made NLI's website
>> and/or Internetwork expert's website innocently just
>> did a search and copied
>> the page in order to provide a service to the
>> students?
>>
>> I want all of you to understand that neither
>> Internetwork Expert nor NLI are
>> charging the students for that information.
>>
>> I see both Brian and Victor's point in this matter,
>> and I believe its
>> nothing but a simple innocent mistake, since the
>> information is neither
>> NLI's nor Internetwork expert's intellectual
>> property, it's a simple summary
>> of what is freely available on Cisco's website, so
>> basically what we are
>> talking about is the actual format of the
>> documentation, which I believe it
>> sucks any way (just a joke). It's not like these
>> guys copied each others
>> work books.
>>
>> I am sure once both parties talk to the webmaster of
>> their company, they
>> will find out as to what happened and the problem
>> will be corrected
>> (Reformat the freaking document).
>>
>>
>> On 6/7/07, Darby Weaver <darbyweaver@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Everyone,
>> >
>> > Victor only asked why it could not be the other
>> way
>> > around. A reasonable question.
>> >
>> > He has not been at NLI for 6 months just yet as I
>> > recall. Maybe, what, 4 months as I seem to
>> recall.
>> >
>> > Just because he asked the question does not make
>> him
>> > personall unethical. Let's reserve that statement
>> for
>> > the party who actually copied the other company's
>> work
>> > and posted it as their own.
>> >
>> > I know Victor on a more personal level, and I for
>> one,
>> > do not believe he lacks ethics.
>> >
>> > Victor has worked hard to get where he is and just
>> > because he posted a link from his company here on
>> GS,
>> > that looks to be exactly the same as the one of a
>> > competitor does not make him unethical.
>> >
>> > Now, I would wonder when he site posted their page
>> > since it seems to be an "interesting battle of
>> ethics"
>> > between two companies.
>> >
>> > Someone obviously took the time to research the
>> issue
>> > and to figure out which features applied to which
>> > version of IOS.
>> >
>> > So who is right and who is wrong?
>> >
>> > Brian Dennis asserts very strongly that he created
>> > this work orginally and even has a link to it as
>> early
>> > as the date listed/marked on Groupstudy at
>> minimum.
>> > This may very well be the truth.
>> >
>> > Now the question would be how long the link has
>> been
>> > up at NLI (to be fair).
>> >
>> > I am sure Brad Ellis and his team are looking into
>> > this one by now.
>> >
>> > ------------
>> >
>> > But let's not attack an employ of the company who
>> has
>> > not been proven to be personally liable (unless
>> the
>> > company he his working for is willing to put his
>> neck
>> > on the line as well - since this is serious and
>> could
>> > be career-affecting).
>> >
>> > So now the question is:
>> >
>> > When did NLI post their that information on their
>> > site?
>> >
>> > Now if they should be able to produce proof that
>> their
>> > site had it first... are we going to hear an
>> apology?
>> > Or if they don't - again will we here an apology?
>> >
>> > While someone obviously had to submit the
>> information
>> > for posting on NLI's site, and it may have even
>> been
>> > Victor, at the moment none of us, know this to be
>> true
>> > at this time.
>> >
>> > Let's give Victor a small reprieve - he is getting
>> > ready for a CCIE Lab at the moment and I am sure
>> he
>> > personally has better uses for his own mental
>> > energies.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --- Brian Dennis <bdennis@internetworkexpert.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > Victor,
>> > > So your company9s website ends up with a
>> document
>> > > that I wrote over 6 months
>> > > ago (see below) and then you have the audacity
>> to
>> > > publicly accuse me of
>> > > stealing it from you? I9ve seen some pretty
>> poor
>> > > ethics on this list over
>> > > the years but I wouldn9t have expected it from
>> you
>> > > personally.
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>>
> http://www.groupstudy.com/archives/ccielab/200611/msg00970.html
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > >
>> > > Brian Dennis, CCIE4 #2210
>> (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP)
>> > > bdennis@internetworkexpert.com
>> > >
>> > > Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>> > > http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
>> > > Toll Free: 877-224-8987
>> > > Direct: 775-745-6404 (Outside the US and Canada)
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On 6/7/07 5:37 PM, "Victor Cappuccio"
>> > > <victor@ccbootcamp.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Brian,
>> > > >
>> > > > No, I ( WE ) did NOT copy the web page into
>> "the
>> > > company web server", Why
>> > > It
>> > > > could not be as the other way around?
>> > > >
>> > > > I am not the web master of my company web
>> server,
>> > > So I would advice you to
>> > > > address your concerns to
>> support@ccbootcamp.com
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > thanks,
>> > > > Victor Cappuccio.-
>> > > > - CCSI# 31452
>> > > >
>> > > > Network Learning Inc - A Cisco Sponsored
>> > > Organization (SO) YES! We take
>> > > > Cisco Learning credits!
>> > > > victor@ccbootcamp.com
>> > > > http://www.ccbootcamp.com (Cisco Training and
>> > > Rental Racks)
>> > > > http://www.ccbootcamp.com/groupstudy.html
>> > > (groupstudy member discounts!)
>> > > > Voice: 702-968-5100
>> > > > FAX: 702-446-8012
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > > From: Brian Dennis
>> > > [mailto:bdennis@internetworkexpert.com]
>> > > > Sent: Thu 6/7/2007 8:15
>> > > > To: Victor Cappuccio;
>> thomas.rader@freesurf.ch;
>> > > ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> > > > Subject: Re: 3550/3560 feature comparison [mx]
>> > > >
>> > > > Victor,
>> > > > So you just copied the page that I wrote
>> > > months ago and put it up on
>> > > > your site?
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>>
> http://www.internetworkexpert.com/resources/ccie-3560-3550.htm
>> > > >
>> > >
>> http://www.ccbootcamp.com/tech-notes/3550vs3560.html
>> > > >
>> > > > --
>> > > >
>> > > > Brian Dennis, CCIE4 #2210
>> > > (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP)
>> > > > bdennis@internetworkexpert.com
>> > > >
>> > > > Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>> > > > http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
>> > > > Toll Free: 877-224-8987
>> > > > Direct: 775-745-6404 (Outside the US and
>> Canada)
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > On 6/7/07 12:39 AM, "Victor Cappuccio"
>> > > <victor@ccbootcamp.com> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > >> > This link may help you
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> >
>> > >
>> http://www.ccbootcamp.com/tech-notes/3550vs3560.html
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > thanks,
>> > > >> > Victor Cappuccio.-
>> > > >> > - CCSI# 31452
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > Network Learning Inc - A Cisco Sponsored
>> > > Organization (SO) YES! We take
>> > > >> > Cisco Learning credits!
>> > > >> > victor@ccbootcamp.com
>> > > >> > http://www.ccbootcamp.com (Cisco Training
>> and
>> > > Rental Racks)
>> > > >> > http://www.ccbootcamp.com/groupstudy.html
>> > > (groupstudy member discounts!)
>> > > >> > Voice: 702-968-5100
>> > > >> > FAX: 702-446-8012
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > -----Original Message-----
>> > > >> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com on behalf of
>> > > thomas.rader@freesurf.ch
>> > > >> > Sent: Thu 6/7/2007 0:01
>> > > >> > To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> > > >> > Subject: 3550/3560 feature comparison
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > Hello,
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > Does anyone have a list of the differences
>> in
>> > > the features between the
>> > > 3550
>> > > &
>> > > >> > 3560 switches?
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > ie, PVLAN support, etc.
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > I've only got 3550's in my ccie rack, and
>> am
>> > > trying to do a "gap
>> > > analysis"
>> > > >> to
>> > > >> > see what I need to be aware of.
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > Thanks, Thomas
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> >
>> > >
>> >
>>
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>> Narbik Kocharians
>> CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
>> CCSI# 30832
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