From: Darby Weaver (darbyweaver@yahoo.com)
Date: Thu Apr 26 2007 - 14:54:28 ART
Yes - it was while I was in the military.
But I do know people can artificially induce stress, I
got past most of that at an early age.
If I'm doing my job to the best of my ability, then I
ususally am not personally stressed - now this does
not mean that I do not perform "due diligence", ample
research, or take every measure to ensure the success
of the endeavor - whatever it is.
I do take the job seriously. It does pay my bills.
Baseball bats... Ouch! I knew one of my buddies that
had to deal with that. He didn't back down. But he
did have to eat with a straw since his jaw was wired.
Even Congress has had physical confrontations on the
floor with weapons, a cane as I recall.
============
Back to salary. I agree most people tend to expect a
CCIE to bring a wealth of previous experience to the
table, preferably working in complex and demanding
environments that required demonstrated skill and
deeper understanding.
Six digit salaries don't come for free most of the
time.
--- Gregory Gombas <ggombas@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Didn't loose my cool too badly when my leg was
> broken in a fight once once,
> in fact I didn't even show my attackers the
> slightest once of care
> when they wedged my leg on the concrete and broke it
> a second time"
>
> Sounds like you have worked for a financial firm
> before!
> I've heard of a broker hitting an IT guy with a bat
> when his PC went
> down but nothing that bad. Seriously thats some
> crazy sh*t you've been
> through...
>
> But back to the subject of salary's - some people
> think they can just
> pass the CCIE and sit back and wait for the checks
> to roll in.
> The reality is to make 6 figures in the NYC region
> you most likely
> would have to work for a financial in which case
> evening and weekend
> work is a must.
> A lot of people that come from other environments
> have a hard time
> coping with the daily pressures.
>
>
> On 4/26/07, Darby Weaver <darbyweaver@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> > Gregory,
> >
> > No offense but people yelling at me would not
> stress
> > me out.
> >
> > Stress for me was something like watching a person
> (a
> > friend no less) getting a heart massage and dying
> then
> > and there on the spot while I had a front row
> seat.
> >
> > Stress is responding to a situation and finding a
> man
> > caught in between the jaws of a steel string door
> by
> > the head and watching the nerves of the body
> writhe in
> > pain. Removing the man was no easy feat either.
> His
> > head resembled a flattend pancake. He took three
> days
> > to die as I recall.
> >
> > Stress is responding to an emergency and dutifully
> > going into a stairwell while hearing explosions
> and
> > noticing on the wall in front of you - "DANGER -
> > Munitions - Salt-Water Activated". While you have
> a
> > hose and the man behind you is has a sprinkler to
> > shower you with.
> >
> > So tell me Gregory, having a bunch of people yell
> at
> > you really bother you that badly...
> >
> > Wouldn't bother me...
> >
> > Not today, not tomorrow, and not any time next
> week...
> >
> > And if the net should go down... Let them watch.
> >
> > The last time I was in a similar situation, and
> every
> > VP and Board Member was running around looking
> useless
> > and concerned and tempers were flairing over some
> > 30,000 people standing in the July heat of Florida
> > during a network outage on the 4th of July...
> >
> > Tempers were flaring...
> >
> > My response was simple. It did not concern me one
> > bit. The fact is no amount of "additional stress"
> was
> > gonna get the problem done any sooner.
> >
> > So I told my Director quite frankly "I do not care
> if
> > God were here, this problem would not get resolved
> any
> > faster" after he tried to explain the situation in
> > terms of people waiting, revenue potentially lost,
> and
> > execs running around on his coat tails.
> >
> > And you know I meant it.
> >
> > There was that time when I suffered a steam burn
> from
> > below my pecs to just below my lips and everything
> in
> > between was melted and looked like wax. Painful
> > indeed, but was I stressed, no not really.
> >
> > Neither the time that I had to watch as my wrist
> was
> > slowly slit. Didn't stress me a bit. Didn't hurt
> as
> > bad either for that matter. I bled heavily, but I
> did
> > survive.
> >
> > Another one Gregory, I did not get stressed the
> time I
> > got stabbed with a coke bottle. Didn't loose my
> cool
> > too badly when my leg was broken in a fight once
> once,
> > in fact I didn't even show my attackers the
> slightest
> > once of care when they wedged my leg on the
> concrete
> > and broke it a second time, and you know what when
> I
> > got to the hopsital and they pricked my leg below
> the
> > knee after using local anethesia, and took a hand
> > drill and started drilling, I do not recall being
> too
> > visibly stressed either. In fact one of the males
> > nurses, was watching me closely ans asked if I
> wanted
> > something to chew on and I declined. The next
> thing
> > he asked me was "How can you watch?" and I told
> him "I
> > do this kinda thing all the time."
> >
> > And Gregory, I've never flinched even when at
> gunpoint
> > in point blank range. Never.
> >
> > So tell me exactly, how bad is the stress they
> make
> > you feel...
> >
> > They could not stress me that badly, I was trained
> > very well for the worse of it. Not in this life
> or
> > the next.
> >
> > Tell me another about stress.
> >
> >
> > --- Gregory Gombas <ggombas@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hey Darby and gang,
> > >
> > > No offense, but I don't think you know what
> stress
> > > is...
> > >
> > > Have you ever worked for a financial company?
> > >
> > > I love it when a herd of managers comes rumbling
> > > down the hall
> > > whenever a site goes down and then they would
> stand
> > > behind you (not
> > > helping one bit) screaming until you get it back
> up.
> > > Then they look
> > > for someone's head because they lost millions of
> > > dollars for the site
> > > being down for 6 minutes.
> > >
> > > And oh yeah you can't even blink at a network
> device
> > > until the weekend
> > > (often wee into the midnight hours).
> > >
> > > Unfortunately if you want to make decent money
> in
> > > this town financial
> > > is the only option.
> > >
> > > Maybe I should move down south...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 4/25/07, Darby Weaver <darbyweaver@yahoo.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > I'm working my weekends, evenings, wee hours
> > > beyond
> > > > midnight sometimes, and did I forget to
> mention
> > > > holidays...
> > > >
> > > > And I travel a bit as required.
> > > >
> > > > What would I be losing exactly?
> > > >
> > > > Got the CC*P and a little experience - not as
> much
> > > as
> > > > some here...
> > > >
> > > > The biggest network I worked on only had like
> > > twenty
> > > > something Cat6009-6513's... and a couple
> thousand
> > > > Cisco devices.
> > > >
> > > > Most networks I serve now probably have ~100
> or so
> > > > switches, routers, and other devices
> combined...
> > > >
> > > > Hmmm....
> > > >
> > > > So...
> > > >
> > > > The good thing is I bought my house before the
> > > prices
> > > > in Orlando skyrocketed. So it is worth about
> 2.5
> > > times
> > > > what I paid for it and my salary is relatively
> > > good
> > > > for the economy in which I live.
> > > >
> > > > I do own nicer vehicles (I'm not driving a
> lambo
> > > or
> > > > ferrarri).
> > > >
> > > > My benefits, if I actually ever start using
> all
> > > them,
> > > > are great too... actually competitive.
> > > >
> > > > Work will always be... well work.
> > > >
> > > > However, I live by the saying "If you love
> what
> > > you do
> > > > you'll never work a day in your life..."
> > > >
> > > > So for me my hobby is also my job.
> > > >
> > > > AS far as stress level, I work hard to enusure
> I
> > > am
> > > > not stressed that much. I do get tired due to
> a
> > > lack
> > > > of sleep at times but that's it.
> > > >
> > > > But I will concede salary surveys never seem
> to
> > > take
> > > > that into consideration at all.
> > > >
> > > > How many CCIE's truly get the luxury of a 9-5
> job
> > > > anyway? And have a job that is not a little
> > > stressful?
> > > >
> > > > Even our beloved and notable vendors are up
> > > burning
> > > > midnight oil mostly every single night. I
> know
> > > since
> > > > we either chat a bit or toss emails.
> > > >
> > > > But hey, do not think I'm mad or upset about
> this
> > > type
> > > > of work - I rather enjoy it. It is what I
> chose
> > > to do
> > > > and I like to think I had a few pretty decent
> > > choices
> > > > to choose from.
> > > >
> > > > So...
> > > >
> > > > Ooops - off the soap box - gotta go home and
> dive
> > > into
> > > > my racks - well actually I'll probably just
> dive
> > > in
> > > > from the office.
> > > >
> > > > Did I mention I only work 3.1 miles from home
> > > these
> > > > days and I have virtually no traffic... and
> since
> > > I
> > > > can see the I-4 Parking Lot from my leisurely
> > > drive -
> > > > I actually get a daily reminder of what my
> drive
> > > was
> > > > like for the past 5 years or so before...
> > > >
> > > > So... till something better comes along...
> > > >
> > > > Later guys
> > > >
> > > > Again sorry to bother with another chapter...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- "Larry Letterman (lletterm)"
> > > <lletterm@cisco.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I'll stay in Texas and have my weekends...:)
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Gregory Gombas
> [mailto:ggombas@gmail.com]
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 3:05 PM
> > > > > To: Larry Letterman (lletterm)
> > > > > Cc: CCIE 19999; Scott Thornton; Leigh
> Harrison;
> > > Tony
> > > > > Schaffran;
> > > > > jslauer@hotmail.com; Darby Weaver; Michael
> Zuo;
> > > > > ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > > > Subject: Re: OT: CCIE salary surveys
> > > > >
> > > > > You guys are missing two critical elements
> from
> > > your
> > > > > calculations:
> > > > > 1. Stress level
> > > > > 2. Weekends/Evening work
> > > > >
> > > > > Here in the NYC area even with a CCIE if you
> > > plan on
> > > > > making 120k you can
> > > > > kiss your weekends goodbye.
> > > > > And don't expect to work 9-5 either....
> > > > >
> > > > > On 4/25/07, Larry Letterman (lletterm)
> > > > > <lletterm@cisco.com> wrote:
> > > > > > An ale or a beer...they have it in the USA
> > > > > also..without the high cost
> > > > >
> > > > > > of London..
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com
> > > > > [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> > > > > > Of CCIE 19999
> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 9:54 PM
> > > > > > To: 'Scott Thornton'; 'Leigh Harrison'
> > > > > > Cc: 'Tony Schaffran'; jslauer@hotmail.com;
> > > 'Darby
> > > > > Weaver'; 'Michael
> > > > > > Zuo'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > > > > Subject: RE: OT: CCIE salary surveys
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boddingtons
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com
> > > > > [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> > > > > > Of Scott Thornton
> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, 25 April 2007 12:38 PM
> > > > > > To: Leigh Harrison
> > > > > > Cc: Tony Schaffran; jslauer@hotmail.com;
> Darby
> > > > > Weaver; Michael Zuo;
> > > > > > ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > > > > Subject: Re: OT: CCIE salary surveys
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Boddington? Not familiar with that one...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 4/24/07, Leigh Harrison
> > > <ccileigh@gmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You guys are getting done!!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Come and work in London $150k+ all the
> bits
> > > and
> > > > > bobs:-
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
http://www.cwjobs.co.uk/JobSearch/JobDetails.aspx?JobId=29392149&Keywo
> > > > > > rd
> > > > > > s=cc
> > > > > > ie
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > AND!! There's all the fish and chips you
> can
> > > eat
> > > > > and all the
> > > > > > > Boddingtons you can drink!!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > LH
> > > > > > > #15331
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Tony Schaffran wrote:
> > > > > > > > Yes. Not a very high demand for
> CCIE's in
> > > the
> > > > > North Dakota area.
> > > > > > > > You
> > > > > > > would
> > > > > > > > be lucky to fetch $60K
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Tony Schaffran
> > > > > > > > Network Analyst
> > > > > > > > CCIE #11071
> > > > > > > > CCNP, CCNA, CCDA,
> > > > > > > > NNCDS, NNCSS, CNE, MCSE
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > www.cconlinelabs.com
> > > > > > > > Your #1 choice for online Cisco rack
> > > rentals.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com
> > > > > [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
> > > > > > > > Behalf
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Of jslauer@hotmail.com
> > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 3:13 AM
> > > > > > > > To: Darby Weaver; Michael Zuo;
> > > > > ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: OT: CCIE salary surveys
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > your hypothesis is correct in the D.C.
> > > area,
> > > > > but that's if you
> > > > > > > > have a high-level security clearance
> and
> > > are
> > > > > willing to work for a
> > > > > > contractor.
> > > > > > > If
> > > > > > > > you want something stable, then you
> wont
> > > make
> > > > > as much.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Remember, the places where the
> salaries
> > > are
> > > > > high like this have a
> > > > > > > > very
> > > > > > > high
> > > > > > > > cost of living.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Josh
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > From: "Darby Weaver"
> > > <darbyweaver@yahoo.com>
> > > > > > > > To: "Michael Zuo" <mzuo@ixiacom.com>;
> > > > > <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 1:13 AM
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: OT: CCIE salary surveys
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >> Salary's vary.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> I've had friends in the Cali area
> making
> > > in
> > > > > the 60k+ for the CCNA
> > > > >
> > > > > > > >> to CCNP level.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> I've had class-mates claiming up to
> 110k
> > > > > incomes at the CCNP
> > > > > > > >> level
> > > > > > > >> - of course they were earning their
> CCIE
> > > and
> > > > > were fast-tracking.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> So 120-130k is not unnatural, but I
> would
> > > > > venture that seasoned
> > > > > > > >> CCIE's are doing better in
> California.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> However, I had several counterparts
> at
> > > NBC
> > > > > and GE and I do not
> > > > > > > >> recall them saying (or the job
> postings)
> > > > > looking like they paid a
> > > > >
> > > > > > > >> lot more than my Southeastern wages
> for
> > > the
> > > > > same or similar job
> > > > > > > >> description.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> Same for my counterparts at 30 Rock
> in
> > > New
> > > > > York - it seems that
> > > > > > > >> around 90k or so was the base
> starting
> > > point,
> > > > > followed with nice
> > > > > > > >> raises and bonuses.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> Now maybe for the highest level
> positions
> > > but
> > > > > who is counting.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> I'm in Orlando and if one does not
> mind
> > > the
> > > > > travel the ranges I
> > > > > > > >> am routinely offered are in the
> 80-120k
> > > range
> > > > > > > >> +/- some form of bonus paackage for
> the
> > > CCNP
> > > > > level
> > > > > > > >> with experience. For the record, I
> have
> > > been
> > > > > asked to consider
> > > > > > > >> greater than 120k - so this is not
> out of
> > > the
> > > > > question either
> > > > > > > >> even for a CCNP - I'm sure the
> position
> > > would
> > > > > have easily
> > > > > > > >> preferred a CCIE.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> The travel and near-CCIE level
> positions
> > > are
> > > > > in the 110-120k +
> > > > > > > >> bonus range here in my neck of the
> woods,
> > > but
> > > > > for all I know the
> > > > > > > >> rates can get better for full CCIE's.
> - I
> > > > > would expect it, some
> > > > > > > >> of my current peers speak of 135k+
> rates,
> > > but
> > > > > I have not seen
> > > > > > > >> this yet
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > >> myself - but I am not yet a CCIE
> either.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> I've heard people in the Washington
> and
> > > New
> > > > > York areas are well
> > > > > > > >> paid for their services.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> I've heard that 200k+ in the
> Washington
> > > > > D.C./Virgina area are not
> > > > >
> > > > > > > >> uncommon.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> I guess it comes down to one's
> ability to
> > > > > bargain and how one
> > > > > > > >> present's oneself.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> And recall, some positions simply
> only
> > > pay
> > > > > whatever it is the
> > > > > > > >> company pays for the job role.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> I've also heard that pre-sales
> engineers
> > > can
> > > > > do quite well
> > > > > > > >> especially in education and
> government
> > > > > accounts.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> Expect that salary survey are very
> > > general in
> > > > > nature.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> I recall when they used to say I was
> > > > > underpaid and now it seems
> > > > > > > >> according to them I am overpaid.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> It's strange and it is a statistic.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> Best thing to do, is to figure out
> what
> > > it
> > > > > costs you to live,
> > > > > > > >> throw
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > >> in whatever else you need like
> benefits,
> > > > > vacation, retirement,
> > > > > > > >> training, etc. and go for that number
> +/-
> > > > > however much you will
> > > > > > > >> need to be where you need to be
> > > financially.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> Good luck!
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> Sorry for the long and boring email.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> --- Michael Zuo <mzuo@ixiacom.com>
> wrote:
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >>> Hi Group,
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> I have did a little research online:
> it
> > > > > looks like the average
> > > > > > > >>> salary for CCIE's in California with
> a
> > > few
> > > > > years of experience
> > > > > > > >>> is around 120 to 130K range
> according to
> > > > > various surveys such as
> > > > >
> > > > > > > >>> Cert
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > >>> Mag. Does anyone know how accurate
> are
> > > the
> > > > > survey numbers from
> > > > > > > >>> personal experience?
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> I apologize for being off topic,
> this
> > > group
> > > > > seems to be the best
> > > > >
> > > > > > > >>> place to ask this question :-)
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> Michael Zuo
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> CCIE #17800
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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