From: Gregory Gombas (ggombas@gmail.com)
Date: Thu Apr 26 2007 - 08:51:32 ART
Hey Darby and gang,
No offense, but I don't think you know what stress is...
Have you ever worked for a financial company?
I love it when a herd of managers comes rumbling down the hall
whenever a site goes down and then they would stand behind you (not
helping one bit) screaming until you get it back up. Then they look
for someone's head because they lost millions of dollars for the site
being down for 6 minutes.
And oh yeah you can't even blink at a network device until the weekend
(often wee into the midnight hours).
Unfortunately if you want to make decent money in this town financial
is the only option.
Maybe I should move down south...
On 4/25/07, Darby Weaver <darbyweaver@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I'm working my weekends, evenings, wee hours beyond
> midnight sometimes, and did I forget to mention
> holidays...
>
> And I travel a bit as required.
>
> What would I be losing exactly?
>
> Got the CC*P and a little experience - not as much as
> some here...
>
> The biggest network I worked on only had like twenty
> something Cat6009-6513's... and a couple thousand
> Cisco devices.
>
> Most networks I serve now probably have ~100 or so
> switches, routers, and other devices combined...
>
> Hmmm....
>
> So...
>
> The good thing is I bought my house before the prices
> in Orlando skyrocketed. So it is worth about 2.5 times
> what I paid for it and my salary is relatively good
> for the economy in which I live.
>
> I do own nicer vehicles (I'm not driving a lambo or
> ferrarri).
>
> My benefits, if I actually ever start using all them,
> are great too... actually competitive.
>
> Work will always be... well work.
>
> However, I live by the saying "If you love what you do
> you'll never work a day in your life..."
>
> So for me my hobby is also my job.
>
> AS far as stress level, I work hard to enusure I am
> not stressed that much. I do get tired due to a lack
> of sleep at times but that's it.
>
> But I will concede salary surveys never seem to take
> that into consideration at all.
>
> How many CCIE's truly get the luxury of a 9-5 job
> anyway? And have a job that is not a little stressful?
>
> Even our beloved and notable vendors are up burning
> midnight oil mostly every single night. I know since
> we either chat a bit or toss emails.
>
> But hey, do not think I'm mad or upset about this type
> of work - I rather enjoy it. It is what I chose to do
> and I like to think I had a few pretty decent choices
> to choose from.
>
> So...
>
> Ooops - off the soap box - gotta go home and dive into
> my racks - well actually I'll probably just dive in
> from the office.
>
> Did I mention I only work 3.1 miles from home these
> days and I have virtually no traffic... and since I
> can see the I-4 Parking Lot from my leisurely drive -
> I actually get a daily reminder of what my drive was
> like for the past 5 years or so before...
>
> So... till something better comes along...
>
> Later guys
>
> Again sorry to bother with another chapter...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- "Larry Letterman (lletterm)" <lletterm@cisco.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I'll stay in Texas and have my weekends...:)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Gregory Gombas [mailto:ggombas@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 3:05 PM
> > To: Larry Letterman (lletterm)
> > Cc: CCIE 19999; Scott Thornton; Leigh Harrison; Tony
> > Schaffran;
> > jslauer@hotmail.com; Darby Weaver; Michael Zuo;
> > ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: Re: OT: CCIE salary surveys
> >
> > You guys are missing two critical elements from your
> > calculations:
> > 1. Stress level
> > 2. Weekends/Evening work
> >
> > Here in the NYC area even with a CCIE if you plan on
> > making 120k you can
> > kiss your weekends goodbye.
> > And don't expect to work 9-5 either....
> >
> > On 4/25/07, Larry Letterman (lletterm)
> > <lletterm@cisco.com> wrote:
> > > An ale or a beer...they have it in the USA
> > also..without the high cost
> >
> > > of London..
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com
> > [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> > > Of CCIE 19999
> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 9:54 PM
> > > To: 'Scott Thornton'; 'Leigh Harrison'
> > > Cc: 'Tony Schaffran'; jslauer@hotmail.com; 'Darby
> > Weaver'; 'Michael
> > > Zuo'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > Subject: RE: OT: CCIE salary surveys
> > >
> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boddingtons
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com
> > [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> > > Of Scott Thornton
> > > Sent: Wednesday, 25 April 2007 12:38 PM
> > > To: Leigh Harrison
> > > Cc: Tony Schaffran; jslauer@hotmail.com; Darby
> > Weaver; Michael Zuo;
> > > ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > Subject: Re: OT: CCIE salary surveys
> > >
> > > Boddington? Not familiar with that one...
> > >
> > > On 4/24/07, Leigh Harrison <ccileigh@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > You guys are getting done!!
> > > >
> > > > Come and work in London $150k+ all the bits and
> > bobs:-
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://www.cwjobs.co.uk/JobSearch/JobDetails.aspx?JobId=29392149&Keywo
> > > rd
> > > s=cc
> > > ie
> > > >
> > > > AND!! There's all the fish and chips you can eat
> > and all the
> > > > Boddingtons you can drink!!
> > > >
> > > > LH
> > > > #15331
> > > >
> > > > Tony Schaffran wrote:
> > > > > Yes. Not a very high demand for CCIE's in the
> > North Dakota area.
> > > > > You
> > > > would
> > > > > be lucky to fetch $60K
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Tony Schaffran
> > > > > Network Analyst
> > > > > CCIE #11071
> > > > > CCNP, CCNA, CCDA,
> > > > > NNCDS, NNCSS, CNE, MCSE
> > > > >
> > > > > www.cconlinelabs.com
> > > > > Your #1 choice for online Cisco rack rentals.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com
> > [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
> > > > > Behalf
> > >
> > > > > Of jslauer@hotmail.com
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 3:13 AM
> > > > > To: Darby Weaver; Michael Zuo;
> > ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > > > Subject: Re: OT: CCIE salary surveys
> > > > >
> > > > > your hypothesis is correct in the D.C. area,
> > but that's if you
> > > > > have a high-level security clearance and are
> > willing to work for a
> > > contractor.
> > > > If
> > > > > you want something stable, then you wont make
> > as much.
> > > > >
> > > > > Remember, the places where the salaries are
> > high like this have a
> > > > > very
> > > > high
> > > > > cost of living.
> > > > >
> > > > > Josh
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Darby Weaver" <darbyweaver@yahoo.com>
> > > > > To: "Michael Zuo" <mzuo@ixiacom.com>;
> > <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 1:13 AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: OT: CCIE salary surveys
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >> Salary's vary.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I've had friends in the Cali area making in
> > the 60k+ for the CCNA
> >
> > > > >> to CCNP level.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I've had class-mates claiming up to 110k
> > incomes at the CCNP
> > > > >> level
> > > > >> - of course they were earning their CCIE and
> > were fast-tracking.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> So 120-130k is not unnatural, but I would
> > venture that seasoned
> > > > >> CCIE's are doing better in California.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> However, I had several counterparts at NBC
> > and GE and I do not
> > > > >> recall them saying (or the job postings)
> > looking like they paid a
> >
> > > > >> lot more than my Southeastern wages for the
> > same or similar job
> > > > >> description.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Same for my counterparts at 30 Rock in New
> > York - it seems that
> > > > >> around 90k or so was the base starting point,
> > followed with nice
> > > > >> raises and bonuses.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Now maybe for the highest level positions but
> > who is counting.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I'm in Orlando and if one does not mind the
> > travel the ranges I
> > > > >> am routinely offered are in the 80-120k range
> > > > >> +/- some form of bonus paackage for the CCNP
> > level
> > > > >> with experience. For the record, I have been
> > asked to consider
> > > > >> greater than 120k - so this is not out of the
> > question either
> > > > >> even for a CCNP - I'm sure the position would
> > have easily
> > > > >> preferred a CCIE.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> The travel and near-CCIE level positions are
> > in the 110-120k +
> > > > >> bonus range here in my neck of the woods, but
> > for all I know the
> > > > >> rates can get better for full CCIE's. - I
> > would expect it, some
> > > > >> of my current peers speak of 135k+ rates, but
> > I have not seen
> > > > >> this yet
> > >
> > > > >> myself - but I am not yet a CCIE either.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I've heard people in the Washington and New
> > York areas are well
> > > > >> paid for their services.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I've heard that 200k+ in the Washington
> > D.C./Virgina area are not
> >
> > > > >> uncommon.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I guess it comes down to one's ability to
> > bargain and how one
> > > > >> present's oneself.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> And recall, some positions simply only pay
> > whatever it is the
> > > > >> company pays for the job role.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I've also heard that pre-sales engineers can
> > do quite well
> > > > >> especially in education and government
> > accounts.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Expect that salary survey are very general in
> > nature.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I recall when they used to say I was
> > underpaid and now it seems
> > > > >> according to them I am overpaid.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> It's strange and it is a statistic.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Best thing to do, is to figure out what it
> > costs you to live,
> > > > >> throw
> > >
> > > > >> in whatever else you need like benefits,
> > vacation, retirement,
> > > > >> training, etc. and go for that number +/-
> > however much you will
> > > > >> need to be where you need to be financially.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Good luck!
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Sorry for the long and boring email.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> --- Michael Zuo <mzuo@ixiacom.com> wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> Hi Group,
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> I have did a little research online: it
> > looks like the average
> > > > >>> salary for CCIE's in California with a few
> > years of experience
> > > > >>> is around 120 to 130K range according to
> > various surveys such as
> >
> > > > >>> Cert
> > >
> > > > >>> Mag. Does anyone know how accurate are the
> > survey numbers from
> > > > >>> personal experience?
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> I apologize for being off topic, this group
> > seems to be the best
> >
> > > > >>> place to ask this question :-)
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Michael Zuo
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> CCIE #17800
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>
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