From: Michael Zuo (mzuo@ixiacom.com)
Date: Wed Apr 25 2007 - 22:10:31 ART
Thanks guys for the info. Any California/Southern California specific
advice/info? What do guys think of working for Cisco VARs,
benefits/cons?
I also understand that CCIEs generally get paid less outside US. Any
niche out there that has good pay/cost of living ratio comparing to
SoCal and good work/living environment for single guys like me?
thanks
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From: jslauer@hotmail.com [mailto:jslauer@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 2:02 PM
To: douglas mizell; ggombas@gmail.com; lletterm@cisco.com
Cc: ccie@iprimus.com.au; scthornton@gmail.com; ccileigh@gmail.com;
groupstudy@cconlinelabs.com; darbyweaver@yahoo.com; Michael Zuo;
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Subject: Re: OT: CCIE salary surveys
There are always other factors besides the Certification (no matter what
it
is) you still have to fit the company profile and pass an interview (be
it
verbal, technical or both) In most cases I've seen many government jobs
around here require a great amount of experience, decent education PLUS
the
CCIE (and other certifications)
Contractors can get paid more, however the job market is not as stable,
with
a government job you have much more security but lower pay and benefits
such
as bonus's are not as high.
The average civilian contractor jobs for CCIE's with a decent level of
experience and a clearance in the D.C. area have almost always been over
100k. I think I saw one the other day for 150k (plus some bonus's and
such)
a good recipe for getting a good job in the D.C. area is:
military service (a huge plus, this get's you in the door just about
anywhere ahead of others who don't)
get a clearance (the higher the better)
get an education (Bachelors at least for government service jobs,
masters or
higher.
get certified (as many as possible in addition to CCIE)
network (lobby?) yourself around the area (this is D.C. you know!)
Josh
CCIE 16024
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From: "douglas mizell" <dlmizell@hotmail.com>
To: <ggombas@gmail.com>; <lletterm@cisco.com>
Cc: <ccie@iprimus.com.au>; <scthornton@gmail.com>; <ccileigh@gmail.com>;
<groupstudy@cconlinelabs.com>; <jslauer@hotmail.com>;
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Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 4:37 PM
Subject: Re: OT: CCIE salary surveys
> Hi,
>
> Thought I would chime in here, not that anyone cares!! Most companies
are
> not going to pay you a 100K plus based solely on a CCIE or any other
cert.
> Not to belittle the CCIE but that has certainly been my experience. A
CCNP
> with years of experience would be more valuable in alot of companies
eyes
> than a freshly minted CCIE with little or no realworld experience.
Also
> other factors can make a huge difference in salary level ie: a
security
> clearance, having a Top Secret SCI is worth as much as a CCIE and in
some
> cases more, if you happen to be one of the few CCIE's with a TS/SCI as
> well, then you could almost name your price. I have worked overseas
for
> the last several years so I cannot speak to your average stateside
CCIE
> but the salary levels mentioned in this thread are average for an
> experienced network engineer in the overseas market, certification or
not.
> I worked with a CCIE in Afghanistan a few years ago who was bagging
well
> over $250K, he is now in Colorado Springs and works for a government
> contractor, he says he is making around $130K.
>
> My 2 cents worth........
>
> Regards,
> Doug Mizell
> CCNP/CCDP
>
>
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>>You guys are missing two critical elements from your calculations:
>>1. Stress level
>>2. Weekends/Evening work
>>
>>Here in the NYC area even with a CCIE if you plan on making 120k you
>>can kiss your weekends goodbye.
>>And don't expect to work 9-5 either....
>>
>>On 4/25/07, Larry Letterman (lletterm) <lletterm@cisco.com> wrote:
>>>An ale or a beer...they have it in the USA also..without the high
cost
>>>of London..
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
Of
>>>CCIE 19999
>>>Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 9:54 PM
>>>To: 'Scott Thornton'; 'Leigh Harrison'
>>>Cc: 'Tony Schaffran'; jslauer@hotmail.com; 'Darby Weaver'; 'Michael
>>>Zuo'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
>>>Subject: RE: OT: CCIE salary surveys
>>>
>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boddingtons
>>>
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
Of
>>>Scott Thornton
>>>Sent: Wednesday, 25 April 2007 12:38 PM
>>>To: Leigh Harrison
>>>Cc: Tony Schaffran; jslauer@hotmail.com; Darby Weaver; Michael Zuo;
>>>ccielab@groupstudy.com
>>>Subject: Re: OT: CCIE salary surveys
>>>
>>>Boddington? Not familiar with that one...
>>>
>>>On 4/24/07, Leigh Harrison <ccileigh@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > You guys are getting done!!
>>> >
>>> > Come and work in London $150k+ all the bits and bobs:-
>>> >
>>> >
>>>http://www.cwjobs.co.uk/JobSearch/JobDetails.aspx?JobId=29392149&Keyw
ord
>>>s=cc
>>>ie
>>> >
>>> > AND!! There's all the fish and chips you can eat and all the
>>> > Boddingtons you can drink!!
>>> >
>>> > LH
>>> > #15331
>>> >
>>> > Tony Schaffran wrote:
>>> > > Yes. Not a very high demand for CCIE's in the North Dakota
area.
>>> > > You
>>> > would
>>> > > be lucky to fetch $60K
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > Tony Schaffran
>>> > > Network Analyst
>>> > > CCIE #11071
>>> > > CCNP, CCNA, CCDA,
>>> > > NNCDS, NNCSS, CNE, MCSE
>>> > >
>>> > > www.cconlinelabs.com
>>> > > Your #1 choice for online Cisco rack rentals.
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > -----Original Message-----
>>> > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
Behalf
>>>
>>> > > Of jslauer@hotmail.com
>>> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 3:13 AM
>>> > > To: Darby Weaver; Michael Zuo; ccielab@groupstudy.com
>>> > > Subject: Re: OT: CCIE salary surveys
>>> > >
>>> > > your hypothesis is correct in the D.C. area, but that's if you
have
>>> > > a high-level security clearance and are willing to work for a
>>>contractor.
>>> > If
>>> > > you want something stable, then you wont make as much.
>>> > >
>>> > > Remember, the places where the salaries are high like this have
a
>>> > > very
>>> > high
>>> > > cost of living.
>>> > >
>>> > > Josh
>>> > >
>>> > > ----- Original Message -----
>>> > > From: "Darby Weaver" <darbyweaver@yahoo.com>
>>> > > To: "Michael Zuo" <mzuo@ixiacom.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>>> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 1:13 AM
>>> > > Subject: Re: OT: CCIE salary surveys
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >> Salary's vary.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> I've had friends in the Cali area making in the 60k+ for the
CCNA
>>> > >> to CCNP level.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> I've had class-mates claiming up to 110k incomes at the CCNP
level
>>> > >> - of course they were earning their CCIE and were
fast-tracking.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> So 120-130k is not unnatural, but I would venture that seasoned
>>> > >> CCIE's are doing better in California.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> However, I had several counterparts at NBC and GE and I do not
>>> > >> recall them saying (or the job postings) looking like they paid
a
>>> > >> lot more than my Southeastern wages for the same or similar job
>>> > >> description.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Same for my counterparts at 30 Rock in New York - it seems that
>>> > >> around 90k or so was the base starting point, followed with
nice
>>> > >> raises and bonuses.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Now maybe for the highest level positions but who is counting.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> I'm in Orlando and if one does not mind the travel the ranges I
am
>>> > >> routinely offered are in the 80-120k range
>>> > >> +/- some form of bonus paackage for the CCNP level
>>> > >> with experience. For the record, I have been asked to consider
>>> > >> greater than 120k - so this is not out of the question either
even
>>> > >> for a CCNP - I'm sure the position would have easily preferred
a
>>> > >> CCIE.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> The travel and near-CCIE level positions are in the 110-120k +
>>> > >> bonus range here in my neck of the woods, but for all I know
the
>>> > >> rates can get better for full CCIE's. - I would expect it, some
of
>>> > >> my current peers speak of 135k+ rates, but I have not seen this
yet
>>>
>>> > >> myself - but I am not yet a CCIE either.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> I've heard people in the Washington and New York areas are well
>>> > >> paid for their services.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> I've heard that 200k+ in the Washington D.C./Virgina area are
not
>>> > >> uncommon.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> I guess it comes down to one's ability to bargain and how one
>>> > >> present's oneself.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> And recall, some positions simply only pay whatever it is the
>>> > >> company pays for the job role.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> I've also heard that pre-sales engineers can do quite well
>>> > >> especially in education and government accounts.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Expect that salary survey are very general in nature.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> I recall when they used to say I was underpaid and now it seems
>>> > >> according to them I am overpaid.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> It's strange and it is a statistic.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Best thing to do, is to figure out what it costs you to live,
throw
>>>
>>> > >> in whatever else you need like benefits, vacation, retirement,
>>> > >> training, etc. and go for that number +/- however much you will
>>> > >> need to be where you need to be financially.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Good luck!
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Sorry for the long and boring email.
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >> --- Michael Zuo <mzuo@ixiacom.com> wrote:
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >>> Hi Group,
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> I have did a little research online: it looks like the average
>>> > >>> salary for CCIE's in California with a few years of experience
is
>>> > >>> around 120 to 130K range according to various surveys such as
Cert
>>>
>>> > >>> Mag. Does anyone know how accurate are the survey numbers
from
>>> > >>> personal experience?
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> I apologize for being off topic, this group seems to be the
best
>>> > >>> place to ask this question :-)
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> Michael Zuo
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> CCIE #17800
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>
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