From: Larry Letterman \(lletterm\) (lletterm@cisco.com)
Date: Wed Apr 25 2007 - 20:04:14 ART
Darby,
As long as your happy with it..thats all that matters..I have acquired a
new hobby recently,
So I spend my evening hrs doing that..but its whatever rocks you, ya
know....
-----Original Message-----
From: Darby Weaver [mailto:darbyweaver@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 4:24 PM
To: Larry Letterman (lletterm); Gregory Gombas
Cc: CCIE 19999; Scott Thornton; Leigh Harrison; Tony Schaffran;
jslauer@hotmail.com; Darby Weaver; Michael Zuo; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: OT: CCIE salary surveys
I'm working my weekends, evenings, wee hours beyond midnight sometimes,
and did I forget to mention holidays...
And I travel a bit as required.
What would I be losing exactly?
Got the CC*P and a little experience - not as much as some here...
The biggest network I worked on only had like twenty something
Cat6009-6513's... and a couple thousand Cisco devices.
Most networks I serve now probably have ~100 or so switches, routers,
and other devices combined...
Hmmm....
So...
The good thing is I bought my house before the prices in Orlando
skyrocketed. So it is worth about 2.5 times what I paid for it and my
salary is relatively good for the economy in which I live.
I do own nicer vehicles (I'm not driving a lambo or ferrarri).
My benefits, if I actually ever start using all them, are great too...
actually competitive.
Work will always be... well work.
However, I live by the saying "If you love what you do you'll never work
a day in your life..."
So for me my hobby is also my job.
AS far as stress level, I work hard to enusure I am not stressed that
much. I do get tired due to a lack of sleep at times but that's it.
But I will concede salary surveys never seem to take that into
consideration at all.
How many CCIE's truly get the luxury of a 9-5 job anyway? And have a job
that is not a little stressful?
Even our beloved and notable vendors are up burning midnight oil mostly
every single night. I know since we either chat a bit or toss emails.
But hey, do not think I'm mad or upset about this type of work - I
rather enjoy it. It is what I chose to do and I like to think I had a
few pretty decent choices to choose from.
So...
Ooops - off the soap box - gotta go home and dive into my racks - well
actually I'll probably just dive in from the office.
Did I mention I only work 3.1 miles from home these days and I have
virtually no traffic... and since I can see the I-4 Parking Lot from my
leisurely drive - I actually get a daily reminder of what my drive was
like for the past 5 years or so before...
So... till something better comes along...
Later guys
Again sorry to bother with another chapter...
--- "Larry Letterman (lletterm)" <lletterm@cisco.com>
wrote:
> I'll stay in Texas and have my weekends...:)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gregory Gombas [mailto:ggombas@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 3:05 PM
> To: Larry Letterman (lletterm)
> Cc: CCIE 19999; Scott Thornton; Leigh Harrison; Tony Schaffran;
> jslauer@hotmail.com; Darby Weaver; Michael Zuo; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: OT: CCIE salary surveys
>
> You guys are missing two critical elements from your
> calculations:
> 1. Stress level
> 2. Weekends/Evening work
>
> Here in the NYC area even with a CCIE if you plan on making 120k you
> can kiss your weekends goodbye.
> And don't expect to work 9-5 either....
>
> On 4/25/07, Larry Letterman (lletterm) <lletterm@cisco.com> wrote:
> > An ale or a beer...they have it in the USA
> also..without the high cost
>
> > of London..
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com
> [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> > Of CCIE 19999
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 9:54 PM
> > To: 'Scott Thornton'; 'Leigh Harrison'
> > Cc: 'Tony Schaffran'; jslauer@hotmail.com; 'Darby
> Weaver'; 'Michael
> > Zuo'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: RE: OT: CCIE salary surveys
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boddingtons
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com
> [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> > Of Scott Thornton
> > Sent: Wednesday, 25 April 2007 12:38 PM
> > To: Leigh Harrison
> > Cc: Tony Schaffran; jslauer@hotmail.com; Darby
> Weaver; Michael Zuo;
> > ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: Re: OT: CCIE salary surveys
> >
> > Boddington? Not familiar with that one...
> >
> > On 4/24/07, Leigh Harrison <ccileigh@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > You guys are getting done!!
> > >
> > > Come and work in London $150k+ all the bits and
> bobs:-
> > >
> > >
> >
>
http://www.cwjobs.co.uk/JobSearch/JobDetails.aspx?JobId=29392149&Keywo
> > rd
> > s=cc
> > ie
> > >
> > > AND!! There's all the fish and chips you can eat
> and all the
> > > Boddingtons you can drink!!
> > >
> > > LH
> > > #15331
> > >
> > > Tony Schaffran wrote:
> > > > Yes. Not a very high demand for CCIE's in the
> North Dakota area.
> > > > You
> > > would
> > > > be lucky to fetch $60K
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Tony Schaffran
> > > > Network Analyst
> > > > CCIE #11071
> > > > CCNP, CCNA, CCDA,
> > > > NNCDS, NNCSS, CNE, MCSE
> > > >
> > > > www.cconlinelabs.com
> > > > Your #1 choice for online Cisco rack rentals.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com
> [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
> > > > Behalf
> >
> > > > Of jslauer@hotmail.com
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 3:13 AM
> > > > To: Darby Weaver; Michael Zuo;
> ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > > Subject: Re: OT: CCIE salary surveys
> > > >
> > > > your hypothesis is correct in the D.C. area,
> but that's if you
> > > > have a high-level security clearance and are
> willing to work for a
> > contractor.
> > > If
> > > > you want something stable, then you wont make
> as much.
> > > >
> > > > Remember, the places where the salaries are
> high like this have a
> > > > very
> > > high
> > > > cost of living.
> > > >
> > > > Josh
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Darby Weaver" <darbyweaver@yahoo.com>
> > > > To: "Michael Zuo" <mzuo@ixiacom.com>;
> <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 1:13 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: OT: CCIE salary surveys
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> Salary's vary.
> > > >>
> > > >> I've had friends in the Cali area making in
> the 60k+ for the CCNA
>
> > > >> to CCNP level.
> > > >>
> > > >> I've had class-mates claiming up to 110k
> incomes at the CCNP
> > > >> level
> > > >> - of course they were earning their CCIE and
> were fast-tracking.
> > > >>
> > > >> So 120-130k is not unnatural, but I would
> venture that seasoned
> > > >> CCIE's are doing better in California.
> > > >>
> > > >> However, I had several counterparts at NBC
> and GE and I do not
> > > >> recall them saying (or the job postings)
> looking like they paid a
>
> > > >> lot more than my Southeastern wages for the
> same or similar job
> > > >> description.
> > > >>
> > > >> Same for my counterparts at 30 Rock in New
> York - it seems that
> > > >> around 90k or so was the base starting point,
> followed with nice
> > > >> raises and bonuses.
> > > >>
> > > >> Now maybe for the highest level positions but
> who is counting.
> > > >>
> > > >> I'm in Orlando and if one does not mind the
> travel the ranges I
> > > >> am routinely offered are in the 80-120k range
> > > >> +/- some form of bonus paackage for the CCNP
> level
> > > >> with experience. For the record, I have been
> asked to consider
> > > >> greater than 120k - so this is not out of the
> question either
> > > >> even for a CCNP - I'm sure the position would
> have easily
> > > >> preferred a CCIE.
> > > >>
> > > >> The travel and near-CCIE level positions are
> in the 110-120k +
> > > >> bonus range here in my neck of the woods, but
> for all I know the
> > > >> rates can get better for full CCIE's. - I
> would expect it, some
> > > >> of my current peers speak of 135k+ rates, but
> I have not seen
> > > >> this yet
> >
> > > >> myself - but I am not yet a CCIE either.
> > > >>
> > > >> I've heard people in the Washington and New
> York areas are well
> > > >> paid for their services.
> > > >>
> > > >> I've heard that 200k+ in the Washington
> D.C./Virgina area are not
>
> > > >> uncommon.
> > > >>
> > > >> I guess it comes down to one's ability to
> bargain and how one
> > > >> present's oneself.
> > > >>
> > > >> And recall, some positions simply only pay
> whatever it is the
> > > >> company pays for the job role.
> > > >>
> > > >> I've also heard that pre-sales engineers can
> do quite well
> > > >> especially in education and government
> accounts.
> > > >>
> > > >> Expect that salary survey are very general in
> nature.
> > > >>
> > > >> I recall when they used to say I was
> underpaid and now it seems
> > > >> according to them I am overpaid.
> > > >>
> > > >> It's strange and it is a statistic.
> > > >>
> > > >> Best thing to do, is to figure out what it
> costs you to live,
> > > >> throw
> >
> > > >> in whatever else you need like benefits,
> vacation, retirement,
> > > >> training, etc. and go for that number +/-
> however much you will
> > > >> need to be where you need to be financially.
> > > >>
> > > >> Good luck!
> > > >>
> > > >> Sorry for the long and boring email.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> --- Michael Zuo <mzuo@ixiacom.com> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>> Hi Group,
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I have did a little research online: it
> looks like the average
> > > >>> salary for CCIE's in California with a few
> years of experience
> > > >>> is around 120 to 130K range according to
> various surveys such as
>
> > > >>> Cert
> >
> > > >>> Mag. Does anyone know how accurate are the
> survey numbers from
> > > >>> personal experience?
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I apologize for being off topic, this group
> seems to be the best
>
> > > >>> place to ask this question :-)
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Michael Zuo
> > > >>>
> > > >>> CCIE #17800
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>
>
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