From: Larry Letterman \(lletterm\) (lletterm@cisco.com)
Date: Wed Apr 25 2007 - 17:51:52 ART
I'll stay in Texas and have my weekends...:)
-----Original Message-----
From: Gregory Gombas [mailto:ggombas@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 3:05 PM
To: Larry Letterman (lletterm)
Cc: CCIE 19999; Scott Thornton; Leigh Harrison; Tony Schaffran;
jslauer@hotmail.com; Darby Weaver; Michael Zuo; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: OT: CCIE salary surveys
You guys are missing two critical elements from your calculations:
1. Stress level
2. Weekends/Evening work
Here in the NYC area even with a CCIE if you plan on making 120k you can
kiss your weekends goodbye.
And don't expect to work 9-5 either....
On 4/25/07, Larry Letterman (lletterm) <lletterm@cisco.com> wrote:
> An ale or a beer...they have it in the USA also..without the high cost
> of London..
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of CCIE 19999
> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 9:54 PM
> To: 'Scott Thornton'; 'Leigh Harrison'
> Cc: 'Tony Schaffran'; jslauer@hotmail.com; 'Darby Weaver'; 'Michael
> Zuo'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: OT: CCIE salary surveys
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boddingtons
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of Scott Thornton
> Sent: Wednesday, 25 April 2007 12:38 PM
> To: Leigh Harrison
> Cc: Tony Schaffran; jslauer@hotmail.com; Darby Weaver; Michael Zuo;
> ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: OT: CCIE salary surveys
>
> Boddington? Not familiar with that one...
>
> On 4/24/07, Leigh Harrison <ccileigh@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > You guys are getting done!!
> >
> > Come and work in London $150k+ all the bits and bobs:-
> >
> >
> http://www.cwjobs.co.uk/JobSearch/JobDetails.aspx?JobId=29392149&Keywo
> rd
> s=cc
> ie
> >
> > AND!! There's all the fish and chips you can eat and all the
> > Boddingtons you can drink!!
> >
> > LH
> > #15331
> >
> > Tony Schaffran wrote:
> > > Yes. Not a very high demand for CCIE's in the North Dakota area.
> > > You
> > would
> > > be lucky to fetch $60K
> > >
> > >
> > > Tony Schaffran
> > > Network Analyst
> > > CCIE #11071
> > > CCNP, CCNA, CCDA,
> > > NNCDS, NNCSS, CNE, MCSE
> > >
> > > www.cconlinelabs.com
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> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
> > > Behalf
>
> > > Of jslauer@hotmail.com
> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 3:13 AM
> > > To: Darby Weaver; Michael Zuo; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > Subject: Re: OT: CCIE salary surveys
> > >
> > > your hypothesis is correct in the D.C. area, but that's if you
> > > have a high-level security clearance and are willing to work for a
> contractor.
> > If
> > > you want something stable, then you wont make as much.
> > >
> > > Remember, the places where the salaries are high like this have a
> > > very
> > high
> > > cost of living.
> > >
> > > Josh
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Darby Weaver" <darbyweaver@yahoo.com>
> > > To: "Michael Zuo" <mzuo@ixiacom.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 1:13 AM
> > > Subject: Re: OT: CCIE salary surveys
> > >
> > >
> > >> Salary's vary.
> > >>
> > >> I've had friends in the Cali area making in the 60k+ for the CCNA
> > >> to CCNP level.
> > >>
> > >> I've had class-mates claiming up to 110k incomes at the CCNP
> > >> level
> > >> - of course they were earning their CCIE and were fast-tracking.
> > >>
> > >> So 120-130k is not unnatural, but I would venture that seasoned
> > >> CCIE's are doing better in California.
> > >>
> > >> However, I had several counterparts at NBC and GE and I do not
> > >> recall them saying (or the job postings) looking like they paid a
> > >> lot more than my Southeastern wages for the same or similar job
> > >> description.
> > >>
> > >> Same for my counterparts at 30 Rock in New York - it seems that
> > >> around 90k or so was the base starting point, followed with nice
> > >> raises and bonuses.
> > >>
> > >> Now maybe for the highest level positions but who is counting.
> > >>
> > >> I'm in Orlando and if one does not mind the travel the ranges I
> > >> am routinely offered are in the 80-120k range
> > >> +/- some form of bonus paackage for the CCNP level
> > >> with experience. For the record, I have been asked to consider
> > >> greater than 120k - so this is not out of the question either
> > >> even for a CCNP - I'm sure the position would have easily
> > >> preferred a CCIE.
> > >>
> > >> The travel and near-CCIE level positions are in the 110-120k +
> > >> bonus range here in my neck of the woods, but for all I know the
> > >> rates can get better for full CCIE's. - I would expect it, some
> > >> of my current peers speak of 135k+ rates, but I have not seen
> > >> this yet
>
> > >> myself - but I am not yet a CCIE either.
> > >>
> > >> I've heard people in the Washington and New York areas are well
> > >> paid for their services.
> > >>
> > >> I've heard that 200k+ in the Washington D.C./Virgina area are not
> > >> uncommon.
> > >>
> > >> I guess it comes down to one's ability to bargain and how one
> > >> present's oneself.
> > >>
> > >> And recall, some positions simply only pay whatever it is the
> > >> company pays for the job role.
> > >>
> > >> I've also heard that pre-sales engineers can do quite well
> > >> especially in education and government accounts.
> > >>
> > >> Expect that salary survey are very general in nature.
> > >>
> > >> I recall when they used to say I was underpaid and now it seems
> > >> according to them I am overpaid.
> > >>
> > >> It's strange and it is a statistic.
> > >>
> > >> Best thing to do, is to figure out what it costs you to live,
> > >> throw
>
> > >> in whatever else you need like benefits, vacation, retirement,
> > >> training, etc. and go for that number +/- however much you will
> > >> need to be where you need to be financially.
> > >>
> > >> Good luck!
> > >>
> > >> Sorry for the long and boring email.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --- Michael Zuo <mzuo@ixiacom.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> Hi Group,
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> I have did a little research online: it looks like the average
> > >>> salary for CCIE's in California with a few years of experience
> > >>> is around 120 to 130K range according to various surveys such as
> > >>> Cert
>
> > >>> Mag. Does anyone know how accurate are the survey numbers from
> > >>> personal experience?
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> I apologize for being off topic, this group seems to be the best
> > >>> place to ask this question :-)
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Michael Zuo
> > >>>
> > >>> CCIE #17800
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
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