From: douglas mizell (dlmizell@hotmail.com)
Date: Wed Apr 25 2007 - 17:37:42 ART
Hi,
Thought I would chime in here, not that anyone cares!! Most companies are
not going to pay you a 100K plus based solely on a CCIE or any other cert.
Not to belittle the CCIE but that has certainly been my experience. A CCNP
with years of experience would be more valuable in alot of companies eyes
than a freshly minted CCIE with little or no realworld experience. Also
other factors can make a huge difference in salary level ie: a security
clearance, having a Top Secret SCI is worth as much as a CCIE and in some
cases more, if you happen to be one of the few CCIE's with a TS/SCI as well,
then you could almost name your price. I have worked overseas for the last
several years so I cannot speak to your average stateside CCIE but the
salary levels mentioned in this thread are average for an experienced
network engineer in the overseas market, certification or not. I worked with
a CCIE in Afghanistan a few years ago who was bagging well over $250K, he is
now in Colorado Springs and works for a government contractor, he says he is
making around $130K.
My 2 cents worth........
Regards,
Doug Mizell
CCNP/CCDP
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>You guys are missing two critical elements from your calculations:
>1. Stress level
>2. Weekends/Evening work
>
>Here in the NYC area even with a CCIE if you plan on making 120k you
>can kiss your weekends goodbye.
>And don't expect to work 9-5 either....
>
>On 4/25/07, Larry Letterman (lletterm) <lletterm@cisco.com> wrote:
>>An ale or a beer...they have it in the USA also..without the high cost
>>of London..
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>>CCIE 19999
>>Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 9:54 PM
>>To: 'Scott Thornton'; 'Leigh Harrison'
>>Cc: 'Tony Schaffran'; jslauer@hotmail.com; 'Darby Weaver'; 'Michael
>>Zuo'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
>>Subject: RE: OT: CCIE salary surveys
>>
>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boddingtons
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>>Scott Thornton
>>Sent: Wednesday, 25 April 2007 12:38 PM
>>To: Leigh Harrison
>>Cc: Tony Schaffran; jslauer@hotmail.com; Darby Weaver; Michael Zuo;
>>ccielab@groupstudy.com
>>Subject: Re: OT: CCIE salary surveys
>>
>>Boddington? Not familiar with that one...
>>
>>On 4/24/07, Leigh Harrison <ccileigh@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > You guys are getting done!!
>> >
>> > Come and work in London $150k+ all the bits and bobs:-
>> >
>> >
>>http://www.cwjobs.co.uk/JobSearch/JobDetails.aspx?JobId=29392149&Keyword
>>s=cc
>>ie
>> >
>> > AND!! There's all the fish and chips you can eat and all the
>> > Boddingtons you can drink!!
>> >
>> > LH
>> > #15331
>> >
>> > Tony Schaffran wrote:
>> > > Yes. Not a very high demand for CCIE's in the North Dakota area.
>> > > You
>> > would
>> > > be lucky to fetch $60K
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Tony Schaffran
>> > > Network Analyst
>> > > CCIE #11071
>> > > CCNP, CCNA, CCDA,
>> > > NNCDS, NNCSS, CNE, MCSE
>> > >
>> > > www.cconlinelabs.com
>> > > Your #1 choice for online Cisco rack rentals.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
>>
>> > > Of jslauer@hotmail.com
>> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 3:13 AM
>> > > To: Darby Weaver; Michael Zuo; ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> > > Subject: Re: OT: CCIE salary surveys
>> > >
>> > > your hypothesis is correct in the D.C. area, but that's if you have
>> > > a high-level security clearance and are willing to work for a
>>contractor.
>> > If
>> > > you want something stable, then you wont make as much.
>> > >
>> > > Remember, the places where the salaries are high like this have a
>> > > very
>> > high
>> > > cost of living.
>> > >
>> > > Josh
>> > >
>> > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > From: "Darby Weaver" <darbyweaver@yahoo.com>
>> > > To: "Michael Zuo" <mzuo@ixiacom.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 1:13 AM
>> > > Subject: Re: OT: CCIE salary surveys
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >> Salary's vary.
>> > >>
>> > >> I've had friends in the Cali area making in the 60k+ for the CCNA
>> > >> to CCNP level.
>> > >>
>> > >> I've had class-mates claiming up to 110k incomes at the CCNP level
>> > >> - of course they were earning their CCIE and were fast-tracking.
>> > >>
>> > >> So 120-130k is not unnatural, but I would venture that seasoned
>> > >> CCIE's are doing better in California.
>> > >>
>> > >> However, I had several counterparts at NBC and GE and I do not
>> > >> recall them saying (or the job postings) looking like they paid a
>> > >> lot more than my Southeastern wages for the same or similar job
>> > >> description.
>> > >>
>> > >> Same for my counterparts at 30 Rock in New York - it seems that
>> > >> around 90k or so was the base starting point, followed with nice
>> > >> raises and bonuses.
>> > >>
>> > >> Now maybe for the highest level positions but who is counting.
>> > >>
>> > >> I'm in Orlando and if one does not mind the travel the ranges I am
>> > >> routinely offered are in the 80-120k range
>> > >> +/- some form of bonus paackage for the CCNP level
>> > >> with experience. For the record, I have been asked to consider
>> > >> greater than 120k - so this is not out of the question either even
>> > >> for a CCNP - I'm sure the position would have easily preferred a
>> > >> CCIE.
>> > >>
>> > >> The travel and near-CCIE level positions are in the 110-120k +
>> > >> bonus range here in my neck of the woods, but for all I know the
>> > >> rates can get better for full CCIE's. - I would expect it, some of
>> > >> my current peers speak of 135k+ rates, but I have not seen this yet
>>
>> > >> myself - but I am not yet a CCIE either.
>> > >>
>> > >> I've heard people in the Washington and New York areas are well
>> > >> paid for their services.
>> > >>
>> > >> I've heard that 200k+ in the Washington D.C./Virgina area are not
>> > >> uncommon.
>> > >>
>> > >> I guess it comes down to one's ability to bargain and how one
>> > >> present's oneself.
>> > >>
>> > >> And recall, some positions simply only pay whatever it is the
>> > >> company pays for the job role.
>> > >>
>> > >> I've also heard that pre-sales engineers can do quite well
>> > >> especially in education and government accounts.
>> > >>
>> > >> Expect that salary survey are very general in nature.
>> > >>
>> > >> I recall when they used to say I was underpaid and now it seems
>> > >> according to them I am overpaid.
>> > >>
>> > >> It's strange and it is a statistic.
>> > >>
>> > >> Best thing to do, is to figure out what it costs you to live, throw
>>
>> > >> in whatever else you need like benefits, vacation, retirement,
>> > >> training, etc. and go for that number +/- however much you will
>> > >> need to be where you need to be financially.
>> > >>
>> > >> Good luck!
>> > >>
>> > >> Sorry for the long and boring email.
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> --- Michael Zuo <mzuo@ixiacom.com> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>> Hi Group,
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>> I have did a little research online: it looks like the average
>> > >>> salary for CCIE's in California with a few years of experience is
>> > >>> around 120 to 130K range according to various surveys such as Cert
>>
>> > >>> Mag. Does anyone know how accurate are the survey numbers from
>> > >>> personal experience?
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>> I apologize for being off topic, this group seems to be the best
>> > >>> place to ask this question :-)
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Michael Zuo
>> > >>>
>> > >>> CCIE #17800
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
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