From: Darby Weaver (darbyweaver@yahoo.com)
Date: Mon Apr 16 2007 - 09:31:30 ART
457 jobs on dice and 474 jobs on monster for just
CCIE. This number has hovered here for the past 5+
years that I have watched it - never seems to make it
to 500 over under 400... Really strange but I believe
it is true, no matter how many get certified.
Now not all those jobs are truly CCIE jobs, but some
of the CCIE's among us need a place to get even more
hands-on.
Dice only has 94,000 jobs open at the moment, does not
bode well for the H-1B's though. Unless more jobs come
from somewhere else.
--- Darby Weaver <darbyweaver@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Why not give Cisco ideas?
>
> They obviously are making changes right now. The
> seats are booked clear till August and new seats are
> not being made available clearly for a reason.
>
> Those at networkers will here why first.
>
> Many who pass the lab have told how they passed it
> in
> or around 3+ hours to under 5, so it could be harder
> to get the other 3 hours worth of our time.
> Especially if so many are completing it so quickly,
> it
> is obviously not a tough and grueling 8-hour exam
> and
> if it is those of us, me included, have just not
> been
> up to par.
>
> Let them make it tougher, it cannot hurt the value
> of
> the cert. And those of us trying so hard to get it
> will get what we paid for when we do eventually get
> it.
>
> No harm done there.
> --- Lab Dude <ccielabdude@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > CCIE lab is tough enough. Do we really need to
> make
> > it even more miserable
> > by giving Cisco some new ideas?
> >
> > At the end of the day, either you know your stuff
> or
> > you dont know it. If
> > you dont know your stuff, regardless of your 'CCIE
> > number', you are not
> > going to last very long at your work place because
> > sooner or later you'd get
> > found out.
> >
> > As far as real labs go, even if people know the
> > questions, taking the
> > t'shooting that goes into account, I seriously
> doubt
> > that they can pass even
> > if they mug every question up 100%. If someone
> > doesnt even know the basics,
> > knowing the questions may not necessarily help
> > him/her.
> >
> > My $0.02
> >
> >
> > On 4/16/07, Dan C <cdan2154@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > I like the idea Usman put forward by the time
> > those guys attempt to
> > > memorise
> > > 100 labs they will be CCIE's ready without
> knowing
> > :) Maybe another way to
> > > move forward is for Cisco to have a live
> interview
> > before the day of the
> > > exam, where you may need to answer few basic
> > questions and prove that you
> > > have the experience needed to move to the next
> > level... who knows....
> > > my2cents, Dan
> > >
> > > On 4/17/07, Usman Ali <usman198@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hello all Gurus ,
> > > > I think it is very desperate for the people
> who
> > are doing CCIE by
> > > studying
> > > > .
> > > > i am working on ccie from last 1 year and quit
> > job only for study and my
> > > > target to pass CCIE in three attempts ,
> > > > if i pass end of this year what will be the
> > market of ccie after 3 years
> > > > when there would be more than 50000 CCIE and a
> > few thousands with good
> > > > knowledge ,
> > > > it is very disappointing position
> > > > is it better to go with IBM certification to
> > earn IBM cert you need just
> > > > a few configurations and once a redbook study
> of
> > the technology , i
> > > > passed IBM SAN solution desinger examine 3
> years
> > before and it is more
> > > > easy than even CCNA and have a good market
> > value too .
> > > > can cisco make a huge data base of some 100
> labs
> > you will get one in
> > > > examine or something like this to avoid the
> > fraud .
> > > >
> > > > bye
> > > >
> > > > Usman Ali
> > > >
> > > > Anthony Bonilla wrote:
> > > > > On the same note, one of the proctors in RTP
> > was mentioning that they
> > > > know
> > > > > that lab exams are leaking out being that
> > whenever Cisco releases a
> > > new
> > > > > exam, the passing rate is real low but after
> > two weeks or so, the
> > > > passing
> > > > > rate shoots up to 90% - go figure!
> > > > >
> > > > > When everyone in the room asked why Cisco
> does
> > not do anything about
> > > it,
> > > > he
> > > > > replied that they can't do anything there
> > because China has no NDA or
> > > > > something to that affect. Or better yet,
> > Cisco should offering this
> > > > exam in
> > > > > those countries to begin with but if this
> > continues to go on and Cisco
> > > > does
> > > > > not do anything knowing all this is
> happening,
> > you always wonder if
> > > they
> > > > > themselves are involved as well???
> > > > >
> > > > > Just my 2 cents.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 4/15/07, Darby Weaver
> > <darbyweaver@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> What everyone on this list in a position to
> > hire
> > > > >> should do, could do, and ought to do with
> > every single
> > > > >> job candidate, CCIE notwithstanding, is set
> > them down
> > > > >> in front of some gear and let them show you
> > how and
> > > > >> why they are the person for the job...
> > > > >>
> > > > >> 2-3 hours in front of gear and you know
> > whether you
> > > > >> have a keeper or... NOT.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Lots of people are passing the lab these
> past
> > few
> > > > >> years...
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Not all of them are quite qualified to work
> > on a
> > > > >> full-fledged network with "issues". I'm
> sure
> > most of
> > > > >> have worked hard and some for some years,
> but
> > a few
> > > > >> squeak by.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> So... if everyone here and everywhere else
> > maintains
> > > > >> good hiring practices, then I suspect that
> we
> > will not
> > > > >> have this problem of people passing the lab
> > and
> > > > >> getting digits by any means necessary.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Not is they know that the cert alone is not
> a
> > rubber
> > > > >> stamp to a CCIE-Level position.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> However with a quick romp to the job boards
> > and seeing
> > > > >> postings like:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> CCNA required and CCIE desired... with MCSE
> > or CNE or
> > > > >> Unix experience and oh yes, we want the
> > candidate to
> > > > >> install MS SQL or MS Exchange or even
> handle
> > desktop
> > > > >> support issues and Symantec AV etc...
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Hmmm... What is the point...
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Also be careful to apply to jobs that are
> of
> > a CCIE
> > > > >> caliber as well - once you get the grail.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> =====================================
> > > > >>
> > > > >> One more thing, did anyone ever consider
> that
> > maybe,
> > > > >> just maybe, Cisco is the one putting out
> the
> > "real
> > > > >> CCIE Labs" and if they are I suppose the
> > proctors have
> > > > >> a lot of fun watching things not quite work
> > for
> > > > >> candidates whenever they pass through...
> > Here's a
> > > > >> little but not quite a lot...
> > > > >>
> > > > >> That is kind of sadistic... Especially
> since
> > they may
> > > > >> even have the names of the buyers...
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Hey - how many people come report back on
> GS
> > and say
> > > > >> they cannot figure out what went wrong...
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Hah!
> > > > >>
> > > > >> LOL
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Hmmm...
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Close but no cigar...
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> --- CCIEwnaB <cciewnab@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> OK smart peeps,
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> I have a friend who is currently working
> on
> > her
> > > > >>> CCNP, and keeps giving me a
> > > > >>> hard time for not having passed the lab
> yet
> > (1
> > > > >>> failed attempt under my belt)
> > > > >>> but I'm still hitting it hard and will be
> > going back
> > > > >>> in another 2 moths.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Anyway, she's convinced that when she
> > finishes her
> > > > >>> last NP test she'll just
> > > > >>> pay the $1200 to the folks who shall
> remian
> > nameless
> > > > >>> and study the "3 real
> > > > >>> CCIE labs" and pass on the first attempt."
> I
> > agree
> > > > >>> with what's been said
> > > > >>> here so many times before, that the cert
> > only means
> > > > >>> something if you truly
> > > > >>> are an expert and have earned it. So let's
> > not get
> > > > >>> everyone all wound up.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> That being said, does anyone have a few
> > stories I
> > > > >>> can share with her, that
> > > > >>> might be helpfull in keeping her on the
> > "HIGH ROAD".
> > > > >>> I keep trying to tell
> > > > >>> her, she's going to pay $1200 for a couple
> > useless
> > > > >>> old files and then what,
> > > > >>> go to the proctor on test day and say, hey
> > this
> > > > >>> isn't the test I was
> > > > >>> expecting you must have made a mistake?
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> I'm sure there are other folks here who
> have
> > fallen
> > > > >>> for it, please share
> > > > >>> your experiences so my friend will see the
> > light and
> > > > >>> not surrender to the
> > > > >>> dark side...she knows who she is
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>
> > >
> >
>
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