From: Lab Dude (ccielabdude@gmail.com)
Date: Mon Apr 16 2007 - 08:54:00 ART
Whats next? Rename of CCIE to PhD certification? Pre-requisite being
enrolling at a Cisco Academy for 5 years before pursuing the certification?
If I recall correctly, there are no lab slots available in the near future
due to 'high-demand'. Do you really think Cisco has enough resources to
allocate for a certification?
Give me a break. This is just a certification that needs renewing every 2
years. This is NOT a PhD dissertation. At least once you get the PhD degree
you hold it for life, not with a 2 years renewal condition.
If Cisco was to ever adhere to the rumor, it would be extremely unfair to
those planning to pursue in the future as many wimps have already passed
before ;-)
On 4/16/07, Darby Weaver <darbyweaver@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Dan,
>
> You know there is a rumor of a new program manager to
> replace Maurilio and that program manager wants I
> multiday program (I think 5-day) and that it would
> involve just such an interview process on day one
> before a candidate would ever even be allowed to see a
> rack of gear. Then the candidate would have to
> complete each of several tracks to include all of the
> older technologies and the newer ones as well.
>
> Just a rumor but my own ears did hear it.
>
> I guess it would be a true Enterprise-Class CCIE and
> wimps need not apply.
>
>
> --- Dan C <cdan2154@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I like the idea Usman put forward by the time those
> > guys attempt to memorise
> > 100 labs they will be CCIE's ready without knowing
> > :) Maybe another way to
> > move forward is for Cisco to have a live interview
> > before the day of the
> > exam, where you may need to answer few basic
> > questions and prove that you
> > have the experience needed to move to the next
> > level... who knows....
> > my2cents, Dan
> >
> > On 4/17/07, Usman Ali <usman198@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello all Gurus ,
> > > I think it is very desperate for the people who
> > are doing CCIE by studying
> > > .
> > > i am working on ccie from last 1 year and quit job
> > only for study and my
> > > target to pass CCIE in three attempts ,
> > > if i pass end of this year what will be the market
> > of ccie after 3 years
> > > when there would be more than 50000 CCIE and a few
> > thousands with good
> > > knowledge ,
> > > it is very disappointing position
> > > is it better to go with IBM certification to earn
> > IBM cert you need just
> > > a few configurations and once a redbook study of
> > the technology , i
> > > passed IBM SAN solution desinger examine 3 years
> > before and it is more
> > > easy than even CCNA and have a good market value
> > too .
> > > can cisco make a huge data base of some 100 labs
> > you will get one in
> > > examine or something like this to avoid the fraud
> > .
> > >
> > > bye
> > >
> > > Usman Ali
> > >
> > > Anthony Bonilla wrote:
> > > > On the same note, one of the proctors in RTP was
> > mentioning that they
> > > know
> > > > that lab exams are leaking out being that
> > whenever Cisco releases a new
> > > > exam, the passing rate is real low but after two
> > weeks or so, the
> > > passing
> > > > rate shoots up to 90% - go figure!
> > > >
> > > > When everyone in the room asked why Cisco does
> > not do anything about it,
> > > he
> > > > replied that they can't do anything there
> > because China has no NDA or
> > > > something to that affect. Or better yet, Cisco
> > should offering this
> > > exam in
> > > > those countries to begin with but if this
> > continues to go on and Cisco
> > > does
> > > > not do anything knowing all this is happening,
> > you always wonder if they
> > > > themselves are involved as well???
> > > >
> > > > Just my 2 cents.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 4/15/07, Darby Weaver <darbyweaver@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> What everyone on this list in a position to
> > hire
> > > >> should do, could do, and ought to do with every
> > single
> > > >> job candidate, CCIE notwithstanding, is set
> > them down
> > > >> in front of some gear and let them show you how
> > and
> > > >> why they are the person for the job...
> > > >>
> > > >> 2-3 hours in front of gear and you know whether
> > you
> > > >> have a keeper or... NOT.
> > > >>
> > > >> Lots of people are passing the lab these past
> > few
> > > >> years...
> > > >>
> > > >> Not all of them are quite qualified to work on
> > a
> > > >> full-fledged network with "issues". I'm sure
> > most of
> > > >> have worked hard and some for some years, but a
> > few
> > > >> squeak by.
> > > >>
> > > >> So... if everyone here and everywhere else
> > maintains
> > > >> good hiring practices, then I suspect that we
> > will not
> > > >> have this problem of people passing the lab and
> > > >> getting digits by any means necessary.
> > > >>
> > > >> Not is they know that the cert alone is not a
> > rubber
> > > >> stamp to a CCIE-Level position.
> > > >>
> > > >> However with a quick romp to the job boards and
> > seeing
> > > >> postings like:
> > > >>
> > > >> CCNA required and CCIE desired... with MCSE or
> > CNE or
> > > >> Unix experience and oh yes, we want the
> > candidate to
> > > >> install MS SQL or MS Exchange or even handle
> > desktop
> > > >> support issues and Symantec AV etc...
> > > >>
> > > >> Hmmm... What is the point...
> > > >>
> > > >> Also be careful to apply to jobs that are of a
> > CCIE
> > > >> caliber as well - once you get the grail.
> > > >>
> > > >> =====================================
> > > >>
> > > >> One more thing, did anyone ever consider that
> > maybe,
> > > >> just maybe, Cisco is the one putting out the
> > "real
> > > >> CCIE Labs" and if they are I suppose the
> > proctors have
> > > >> a lot of fun watching things not quite work for
> > > >> candidates whenever they pass through...
> > Here's a
> > > >> little but not quite a lot...
> > > >>
> > > >> That is kind of sadistic... Especially since
> > they may
> > > >> even have the names of the buyers...
> > > >>
> > > >> Hey - how many people come report back on GS
> > and say
> > > >> they cannot figure out what went wrong...
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Hah!
> > > >>
> > > >> LOL
> > > >>
> > > >> Hmmm...
> > > >>
> > > >> Close but no cigar...
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> --- CCIEwnaB <cciewnab@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>> OK smart peeps,
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I have a friend who is currently working on
> > her
> > > >>> CCNP, and keeps giving me a
> > > >>> hard time for not having passed the lab yet (1
> > > >>> failed attempt under my belt)
> > > >>> but I'm still hitting it hard and will be
> > going back
> > > >>> in another 2 moths.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Anyway, she's convinced that when she finishes
> > her
> > > >>> last NP test she'll just
> > > >>> pay the $1200 to the folks who shall remian
> > nameless
> > > >>> and study the "3 real
> > > >>> CCIE labs" and pass on the first attempt." I
> > agree
> > > >>> with what's been said
> > > >>> here so many times before, that the cert only
> > means
> > > >>> something if you truly
> > > >>> are an expert and have earned it. So let's not
> > get
> > > >>> everyone all wound up.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> That being said, does anyone have a few
> > stories I
> > > >>> can share with her, that
> > > >>> might be helpfull in keeping her on the "HIGH
> > ROAD".
> > > >>> I keep trying to tell
> > > >>> her, she's going to pay $1200 for a couple
> > useless
> > > >>> old files and then what,
> > > >>> go to the proctor on test day and say, hey
> > this
> > > >>> isn't the test I was
> > > >>> expecting you must have made a mistake?
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I'm sure there are other folks here who have
> > fallen
> > > >>> for it, please share
> > > >>> your experiences so my friend will see the
> > light and
> > > >>> not surrender to the
> > > >>> dark side...she knows who she is
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>
> >
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