From: Darby Weaver (darbyweaver@yahoo.com)
Date: Mon Apr 16 2007 - 08:39:47 ART
Why not give Cisco ideas?
They obviously are making changes right now. The
seats are booked clear till August and new seats are
not being made available clearly for a reason.
Those at networkers will here why first.
Many who pass the lab have told how they passed it in
or around 3+ hours to under 5, so it could be harder
to get the other 3 hours worth of our time.
Especially if so many are completing it so quickly, it
is obviously not a tough and grueling 8-hour exam and
if it is those of us, me included, have just not been
up to par.
Let them make it tougher, it cannot hurt the value of
the cert. And those of us trying so hard to get it
will get what we paid for when we do eventually get
it.
No harm done there.
--- Lab Dude <ccielabdude@gmail.com> wrote:
> CCIE lab is tough enough. Do we really need to make
> it even more miserable
> by giving Cisco some new ideas?
>
> At the end of the day, either you know your stuff or
> you dont know it. If
> you dont know your stuff, regardless of your 'CCIE
> number', you are not
> going to last very long at your work place because
> sooner or later you'd get
> found out.
>
> As far as real labs go, even if people know the
> questions, taking the
> t'shooting that goes into account, I seriously doubt
> that they can pass even
> if they mug every question up 100%. If someone
> doesnt even know the basics,
> knowing the questions may not necessarily help
> him/her.
>
> My $0.02
>
>
> On 4/16/07, Dan C <cdan2154@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I like the idea Usman put forward by the time
> those guys attempt to
> > memorise
> > 100 labs they will be CCIE's ready without knowing
> :) Maybe another way to
> > move forward is for Cisco to have a live interview
> before the day of the
> > exam, where you may need to answer few basic
> questions and prove that you
> > have the experience needed to move to the next
> level... who knows....
> > my2cents, Dan
> >
> > On 4/17/07, Usman Ali <usman198@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello all Gurus ,
> > > I think it is very desperate for the people who
> are doing CCIE by
> > studying
> > > .
> > > i am working on ccie from last 1 year and quit
> job only for study and my
> > > target to pass CCIE in three attempts ,
> > > if i pass end of this year what will be the
> market of ccie after 3 years
> > > when there would be more than 50000 CCIE and a
> few thousands with good
> > > knowledge ,
> > > it is very disappointing position
> > > is it better to go with IBM certification to
> earn IBM cert you need just
> > > a few configurations and once a redbook study of
> the technology , i
> > > passed IBM SAN solution desinger examine 3 years
> before and it is more
> > > easy than even CCNA and have a good market
> value too .
> > > can cisco make a huge data base of some 100 labs
> you will get one in
> > > examine or something like this to avoid the
> fraud .
> > >
> > > bye
> > >
> > > Usman Ali
> > >
> > > Anthony Bonilla wrote:
> > > > On the same note, one of the proctors in RTP
> was mentioning that they
> > > know
> > > > that lab exams are leaking out being that
> whenever Cisco releases a
> > new
> > > > exam, the passing rate is real low but after
> two weeks or so, the
> > > passing
> > > > rate shoots up to 90% - go figure!
> > > >
> > > > When everyone in the room asked why Cisco does
> not do anything about
> > it,
> > > he
> > > > replied that they can't do anything there
> because China has no NDA or
> > > > something to that affect. Or better yet,
> Cisco should offering this
> > > exam in
> > > > those countries to begin with but if this
> continues to go on and Cisco
> > > does
> > > > not do anything knowing all this is happening,
> you always wonder if
> > they
> > > > themselves are involved as well???
> > > >
> > > > Just my 2 cents.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 4/15/07, Darby Weaver
> <darbyweaver@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> What everyone on this list in a position to
> hire
> > > >> should do, could do, and ought to do with
> every single
> > > >> job candidate, CCIE notwithstanding, is set
> them down
> > > >> in front of some gear and let them show you
> how and
> > > >> why they are the person for the job...
> > > >>
> > > >> 2-3 hours in front of gear and you know
> whether you
> > > >> have a keeper or... NOT.
> > > >>
> > > >> Lots of people are passing the lab these past
> few
> > > >> years...
> > > >>
> > > >> Not all of them are quite qualified to work
> on a
> > > >> full-fledged network with "issues". I'm sure
> most of
> > > >> have worked hard and some for some years, but
> a few
> > > >> squeak by.
> > > >>
> > > >> So... if everyone here and everywhere else
> maintains
> > > >> good hiring practices, then I suspect that we
> will not
> > > >> have this problem of people passing the lab
> and
> > > >> getting digits by any means necessary.
> > > >>
> > > >> Not is they know that the cert alone is not a
> rubber
> > > >> stamp to a CCIE-Level position.
> > > >>
> > > >> However with a quick romp to the job boards
> and seeing
> > > >> postings like:
> > > >>
> > > >> CCNA required and CCIE desired... with MCSE
> or CNE or
> > > >> Unix experience and oh yes, we want the
> candidate to
> > > >> install MS SQL or MS Exchange or even handle
> desktop
> > > >> support issues and Symantec AV etc...
> > > >>
> > > >> Hmmm... What is the point...
> > > >>
> > > >> Also be careful to apply to jobs that are of
> a CCIE
> > > >> caliber as well - once you get the grail.
> > > >>
> > > >> =====================================
> > > >>
> > > >> One more thing, did anyone ever consider that
> maybe,
> > > >> just maybe, Cisco is the one putting out the
> "real
> > > >> CCIE Labs" and if they are I suppose the
> proctors have
> > > >> a lot of fun watching things not quite work
> for
> > > >> candidates whenever they pass through...
> Here's a
> > > >> little but not quite a lot...
> > > >>
> > > >> That is kind of sadistic... Especially since
> they may
> > > >> even have the names of the buyers...
> > > >>
> > > >> Hey - how many people come report back on GS
> and say
> > > >> they cannot figure out what went wrong...
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Hah!
> > > >>
> > > >> LOL
> > > >>
> > > >> Hmmm...
> > > >>
> > > >> Close but no cigar...
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> --- CCIEwnaB <cciewnab@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>> OK smart peeps,
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I have a friend who is currently working on
> her
> > > >>> CCNP, and keeps giving me a
> > > >>> hard time for not having passed the lab yet
> (1
> > > >>> failed attempt under my belt)
> > > >>> but I'm still hitting it hard and will be
> going back
> > > >>> in another 2 moths.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Anyway, she's convinced that when she
> finishes her
> > > >>> last NP test she'll just
> > > >>> pay the $1200 to the folks who shall remian
> nameless
> > > >>> and study the "3 real
> > > >>> CCIE labs" and pass on the first attempt." I
> agree
> > > >>> with what's been said
> > > >>> here so many times before, that the cert
> only means
> > > >>> something if you truly
> > > >>> are an expert and have earned it. So let's
> not get
> > > >>> everyone all wound up.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> That being said, does anyone have a few
> stories I
> > > >>> can share with her, that
> > > >>> might be helpfull in keeping her on the
> "HIGH ROAD".
> > > >>> I keep trying to tell
> > > >>> her, she's going to pay $1200 for a couple
> useless
> > > >>> old files and then what,
> > > >>> go to the proctor on test day and say, hey
> this
> > > >>> isn't the test I was
> > > >>> expecting you must have made a mistake?
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I'm sure there are other folks here who have
> fallen
> > > >>> for it, please share
> > > >>> your experiences so my friend will see the
> light and
> > > >>> not surrender to the
> > > >>> dark side...she knows who she is
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>
> >
>
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