From: dusty (dushoan@yahoo.com)
Date: Wed Apr 04 2007 - 22:38:27 ART
Yeap...If you have right learning information and all neccesaries for your study, you will pass the CCIE with ease. One of my TAC fellower pass her CCIE Voice after 6mons join Cisco right after get out from College, :).
Darby Weaver <darbyweaver@yahoo.com> wrote: Paul,
I read one of your other replies and it sounds both
sensible and comprehensible.
I too feel the CCIE is both trainable and attainable
if one is taught certain critical skills early and
taught them completely.
Most of us, breeze through topics and think we
understand them.
What you are offering sounds akin to H.U. and the
manner he approaches his training and indeed with the
thoroughness that one expects from the likes of Caslow
and the ease of use one gets from InternetworkExpert.
The espirit de corp one gets from being associated
with like-minded professionals who have been
cherry-picked makes me think this guarantee is both
plausible and the motivational factor on the part of
the instructor would be significant as well.
I especially like the idea of covering each topic and
all options associated with a topic that one might
reasonably expect to encounter on any given lab. The
topic by topic approach is very seductive and I like
the idea of covering the biggest issues that are
prevalent on a per-technology basis. Not that I have
not seen many presented before, but not quite as
clearly as your site seems to enumerate it.
For someone like myself who has done quite a bit at
this point and "thinks" he at least understands the
concepts presented with each technology, this may not
be a bad capstone course of instruction.
So please do not take my comments negatively, I simply
wondered about testimonials as other fine trainers
here have displayed on their respective sites, bear
with me as I have come to expect this type of thing
over the years.
Personally, I am at the point where I understand most
issues that come up with most every technology and can
pretty much enumerate them, one by one, very nearly
completely and without fail or very little.
Sometimes, I might still misss something on
interpretation or might take a bit longer to come to a
final conclusion.
I do like the idea of knowing that I have everything
pretty much down cold and I still have a few doubts
and there are a couple of technologies that I feel I
could know better.
So...
Just to clarify.
I did understand the reasonings you listed for
offering a "guarantee" and each do seem sound. I am
glad you took the time to explain your extensive
background in training candidates for the CCIE.
Thanks again,
Darby
--- Paul Borghese
wrote:
> Darby,
>
> I have been teaching CCIE training for nine years.
>
> The version I am offering to GroupStudy is similar
> to a program we put
> together for use inside Cisco (employees only). The
> Cisco program requires
> the student to be out of work longer then is
> feasible or practical in other
> companies. Thus I modified the program adding
> evening courses and requiring
> a minimum prerequisite for attendance.
>
>
> Take care,
>
> Paul Borghese
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com
> [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Darby Weaver
> Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 7:18 PM
> To: Marvin Greenlee; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: GroupStudy accelerated CCIE study group
>
> Wow it sounds personal.
>
> Actually, no disrespect to Paul at all.
>
> But it seems that there should, would, and could be
> more testimonials from someone (ANYONE) claiming to
> guarantee a pass on only 6 weeks.
>
> Either that or we have a lot of people who are
> slacking for taking a lot longer even years to prep
> (and this may well be the case).
>
> However, I just witnessed ole H. U. do it in just 4
> weeks for the guy with the "bloody-red eyes"...
>
> So...
>
> It is is not impossible.
>
> However, the guy with the blood-red eyes also
> attendede NLI previously and he had been to the lab
> twice and was under severe duress to preform and he
> did meet the challenge, but he had a lot on his
> mind.
>
> So, I suppose if a properly motivated candidate took
> the course over 6 weeks, was an adequately prepared
> (experienced CCNP), and had the good study habits
> and
> the capacity to learn quickly, then I'd suppose it
> could be done as a matter of routine.
>
> However, that candidate would be the exception to
> the
> rule, I would think.
>
> Not impossible, but still rare.
>
> And the capability of the mass of candidates has no
> bearing on a given instructor.
>
> As you must know, being an instructor of some repute
> yourself, you will get students who are above
> average
> and some below average.
>
> However, I would be interested in the interview
> process for candidates.
>
> Perhaps that does make up the difference. I wonder
> how many candidates are in this class as well.
>
> But no matter what, I would still be interested in
> hearing testimonials from those who used any
> instructor I intended to pay over $8000.00 for.
>
> Just being a consumer. Who knows - Atlanta is a
> short
> shot for me plane-wise, and I have a budget that can
> accomodate the pricing.
>
> Answer my questions, and I may perhaps be a suitable
> student?
>
>
> --- Marvin Greenlee wrote:
>
> > Does the statement really seem that bold? Anyone
> > offering two weeks of
> > instructor led training, plus additional study
> > sessions in addition to hand
> > selecting motivated candidates should have a
> pretty
> > high level of confidence
> > in the students' preparedness for passing.
> >
> > How is this any different from other vendors
> > offering a class retake?
> >
> > In the past, many have praised Paul for keeping
> this
> > list going. Are you
> > questioning Paul's abilities as an instructor?
> >
> > Marvin Greenlee
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com
> > [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > Darby Weaver
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 2:35 PM
> > To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: Re: GroupStudy accelerated CCIE study
> group
> >
> > How many people have taken this course before and
> > passed the lab?
> >
> > It says it guarantees that students pass the lab
> or
> > the next attempt is paid for - who has taken the
> > course and passed so far?
> >
> > I did not see a list of CCIE's on the site, did I
> > miss
> > it?
> >
> >
> > Don't mean to be skeptical, but how can anyone
> make
> > such a bold statement without proof of concept?
> >
> >
> > --- Paul Borghese
> wrote:
> >
> > > I have been receiving a number of the same
> > questions
> > > concerning the program
> > > I would like to clarify:
>
>
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