From: Ryan (ryan95842@gmail.com)
Date: Thu Mar 29 2007 - 21:55:00 ART
Thanks! That's good advice...
I think through this experience I have discovered that I have an "arrogance"
problem. That is, because I am confident with configuring the router, I
think I know what I'm doing (and I know more than the test) rather than just
doing what I should be doing and configure what is asked.
Confidence = good, Arrogance = bad.
So perhaps failing the first attempt is a good thing. It definitely knocked
me down a few pegs. Now maybe I might actually learn something.
Who knows...
Again, thank you all for the encouragement and great advice...and even for
the salt =)
-Ryan
On 3/29/07, DWINKWORTH@wi.rr.com <DWINKWORTH@wi.rr.com> wrote:
>
> Hey Ryan.
>
> One "technique" (if you can call it that) that I used that I think
> helped me a LOT:
>
> Whenever I missed something while doing a practice lab, I made a great
> effort to make sure I didn't dismiss the problem as "oh I forgot a
> keyword no big deal" or whatever.
>
> With internetworkexpert, you get 12 hours of lab time. That's enough
> time to do the practice lab and a few hours left to fully explore one
> or two "features" that you haven't locked down in your mind yet. For
> instance, multicast-helper maps. I just sat and messed with those for
> four hours. Doing debugs. Removing a command here or there to see if
> it breaks or changes and watching the debugs. I did this until I knew
> exactly what every command was doing and what the debugs look like when
> its not working. And I noted everything down (I used Freemind!). Then
> I reviewed these notes at least 3 or 4 times a week.
>
> There was probably close to 30 or 35 features that I took extensive
> notes on and fiddled with greatly. Another good one is how many ways
> to inject a default route into the various OSPF area types. When do
> they break? How do they propogate are they N routes or E routes?
> Etc.
>
> There are really only a dozen or so really knotty things like this that
> become crystal clear if you stop to just play with them and take
> notes.
>
> Just a thought. Not sure if it will help or not.
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ryan <ryan95842@gmail.com>
> Date: Thursday, March 29, 2007 12:44 pm
> Subject: Re: Frustrating - failed 1st attempt
> To: Bryan F <cciebfetzer@gmail.com>
> Cc: Cisco certification <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>
> > 1) 6 years ISP work experience (lot's of
> > FR/OSPF/BGP/switching/QoS/Security)2) Lots of reading (mostly
> > ciscopress books)
> > 3) Last 6 months of lab prep using InternetExpert COD and lab
> > workbook, and
> > also NMC's COD's (FR/IPv6)
> > - 2-4 hours a night plus 8-12 on weekends for the last 6 months
> > spenteither watching COD's, reading books, or doing practice labs
> >
> >
> > -Ryan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 3/29/07, Bryan F <cciebfetzer@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Ryan,
> > > What has your preparation for the exam up to this point
> > consisted of?
> > >
> > > Bryan F
> > >
> > > On 3/29/07, Ryan <ryan95842@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Thank you all for your comments,
> > > >
> > > > I spent all day in evaluation and over thinking what I
> > configured and
> > > what
> > > > they had asked for...
> > > >
> > > > My scores do not merit a re-grade. According to the scores, I
> > clearly> missed
> > > > the mark. But why?
> > > >
> > > > As some have mentioned, attention to detail. I've been able to
> > account> for
> > > > several lost points because of just not doing what they asked. ACL
> > > subnet
> > > > mask not precise enough, etc. Sure the config worked, but it
> > wasn't> exactly
> > > > what they asked for. Several questions I should have gotten more
> > > > clarification on, such as the conflicting naming convention
> > directions> (this
> > > > question pisses me off...)....some just not enough
> > configuration or I
> > > must
> > > > have missed read something or ignored some important phrase (one
> > > question in
> > > > particular is bothering me. It mentioned something which had
> > nothing to
> > > do
> > > > with the configuration option I was asked configure...I must
> > find out
> > > what
> > > > that means)
> > > >
> > > > Bottom line is I failed because I did not meet all the
> > requirements. I
> > > think
> > > > I can say I failed mostly because of attention to detail and
> > reading> > comprehension. A tough pill to swallow. There ares
> > still several missed
> > > > points that I have no idea why.
> > > >
> > > > So at this point, my spirits are back up (a little) and I have
> > an idea
> > > what
> > > > I need to focus on. Instead of taking practice labs, I'm going
> > to the
> > > > learning annex to learn how to read. (just kidding).
> > > >
> > > > Seriously though, I'm going to reschedule and try again in two
> > months.> I'm
> > > > going to spend that two months combing over the Doc CD and
> > focusing on
> > > > details.
> > > >
> > > > Not sure what else I can do...
> > > >
> > > > Again, thank you all for your support and encouragement.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -Ryan
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 3/29/07, Digital Yemeni <digital.yemeni@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Duncan,
> > > > > while you made me really laugh i also urge you not to put
> > the salt on
> > > the
> > > > > guy's wound! ;-)
> > > > >
> > > > > On 3/29/07, Duncan Maccubbin
> > <duncan.maccubbin@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "I'm extremely frustrated right now because I walked out
> > believing I
> > > had
> > > > > > nailed it, yet I some how failed and I have no idea what went
> > > wrong."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If I had a nickel for every time I have seen this :). The
> > devil is
> > > in
> > > > > the
> > > > > > details.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Could I have gotten someone else's score report?"
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Best case of denial ever! :).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > >From: Ryan <ryan95842@gmail.com>
> > > > > > >Sent: Mar 28, 2007 7:06 PM
> > > > > > >To: Cisco certification <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > > > > > >Subject: Frustrating - failed 1st attempt
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >I failed my 1st attempt yesterday at San Jose.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >I'm extremely frustrated right now because I walked out
> > believing I
> > > had
> > > > > > >nailed it, yet I some how failed and I have no idea what went
> > > wrong.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >I arrived 2 days head of time and got a great night's
> > sleep before
> > > the
> > > > > > lab.
> > > > > > >I finished the lab in about 5 hours and verified my
> > configurations> over
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > >remaining three hours. Found a few minor issues and did some
> > > tweaking.
> > > > > I
> > > > > > >asked the proctors for clarification on almost every question
> > > (Proctors
> > > > > > were
> > > > > > >great and very patient) and got good feedback regarding the
> > > questions.
> > > > > > >Reloaded the routers and checked everything again. I left
> > with> > > everything
> > > > > > >working (except for 3pts of IP service which I
> > intentionally did
> > > not
> > > > > do)
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > >feeling like I had just kicked the lab's ass.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Then this morning I wake up to a score report that says I
> > failed.> > > What's
> > > > > > >worse is I have no idea what I could have done wrong.
> > There was
> > > nothing
> > > > > > on
> > > > > > >the test that was difficult or I was not very familiar
> > with. I even
> > > > > > verified
> > > > > > >several config's right from the doc CD where the command
> > > description
> > > > > read
> > > > > > >almost verbatim what they were asking.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Could I have gotten someone else's score report?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >I'm sure many have thought the same thing. I'm just really
> > > frustrated
> > > > > as
> > > > > > I
> > > > > > >don't know what I did wrong and I have no idea how to
> > prepare for
> > > my
> > > > > next
> > > > > > >attempt?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Time management was not an issue, stress was not an issue,
> > > technology
> > > > > was
> > > > > > >not an issue, and I'm pretty sure question interpretation
> > was not
> > > an
> > > > > > issue.
> > > > > > >Obviously there was some issue, but how do I find it? How
> > do I
> > > found
> > > > > out
> > > > > > >what I did wrong so I can correct it? Maybe technology
> > was an
> > > issue.
> > > > > > Maybe I
> > > > > > >needed more configuration or they were looking for a specific
> > > solution.
> > > > > > How
> > > > > > >could I know?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Aaaaaghghgh!!!!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Sorry for the whining...I'm just really frustrated...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >-Ryan
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >(going to try to reconstruct the lab from memory and see
> > if I can
> > > > > > determine
> > > > > > >where I went wrong)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > >
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> > > > > Digital, CCIE# to be assigned by Cisco when it collects
> > enough $$ out
> > > of
> > > > > me!
> > > > > :p
> > > > >
> > > > >
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