From: Topass Mustpass (ccie_certain@hotmail.com)
Date: Thu Mar 22 2007 - 09:32:56 ART
darbyweaver@yahoo.com is not only a marketer is even more into jounalism
than network engineer.I wonder how fast he will be in punching the
keyboards.He should be a faster guy at keyboard 'cos i wonder why is not
bored typing all this his write up.
Anyway, i wish u a nice stay with Heinz also i guess u should copy heinz
all this your write up may be he can give u discount for your marketing
>From: "Scott Morris" <swm@emanon.com>
>Reply-To: "Scott Morris" <swm@emanon.com>
>To: "'Darby Weaver'" <darbyweaver@yahoo.com>, "'Danny Cox'"
><dandermanuk@gmail.com>, <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>Subject: RE: Heinz Ulm - Day-2 - 1st Impressions - An impression implies
>perception not statistical reality
>Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 07:53:07 -0400
>
>While the diatribes are an interesting read (backup career in marketing?),
>I
>do finally have to take issue with something:
>
>"Some CCIE instructors have multiple CCIE's but the very best at RS have
>one
>CCIE RS and Mr. Heinz and Mr. Caslow set the standards for being the very
>best."
>
>While I will be the first to admit that I've never met Mr. Ulm (Heinz is
>first name as I recall), I've known Mr. Caslow for years. Having one or
>multiple CCIE's has nothing to do with making someone the best or better
>than anyone else. It's simply a different set of experiences. I have
>great
>respect for Bruce Caslow (and all the NMC group), but whether they have one
>or more CCIEs a piece has nothing to do with the quality or ranking of
>their
>work!
>
>While you appear to have taken the NMC courses and are now in Heinz's
>bootcamp, I certainly appreciate the idea that you can offer personal
>impressions and comparisons between the two illustrating your opinion of
>both of those.
>
>However, until you have honestly met and sat through every vendors course,
>and truly know their styles and/or capabilities, coming up with assertions
>like you do really pushes the novel back to the rank of "marketing fluff"
>rather than a truly valuable piece of information.
>
>So if you are on a mission to make statistical comparisons and a ranking,
>certainly do so. But if not, tone the marketing down a bit. I think we
>get
>the point.
>
>Just my two cents, of course... But I believe that's what makes an
>"impression" anyway, right? ;)
>
>
>Scott Morris, CCIE4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713, JNCIE
>#153, CISSP, et al.
>CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-J
>IPexpert VP - Curriculum Development
>IPexpert Sr. Technical Instructor
>smorris@ipexpert.com
>http://www.ipexpert.com
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>Darby Weaver
>Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 4:51 AM
>To: Danny Cox; ccielab@groupstudy.com
>Subject: Re: Heinz Ulm - Day-2 - 1st Impressions - Kinda like the 300, but
>he has 500 CCIE's
>
>Thanks Danny,
>
>Yes - Heinz is unique - he takes situations and turns your weaknesses into
>strengths.
>
>He teaches how to approach a proctor and he teaches his students how to
>MAKE
>an impression.
>
>He hurts uyour feellings and makes you drop your pride at the door.
>
>However, you are thoroughly reminded at how many people looked before who
>walked in your shoes and how many of them got their CCIE's and some within
>days of visiting his bootcamp.
>
>He does not understand how anyone can learn or teach everything for the
>CCIE
>in just 5 or 10 days.
>
>He now offers these in the U.S. but he reminds his students of his 3 week -
>Get in, Get trained, and Get CCIE philosphy.
>
>He is not nice, his tricks and traps are subtle and if you think you
>spotted
>issue A or even B, you can rest assured you had better find issue C.
>
>His problems are OSI-layered and he expects his students to know the
>difference or if not to learn them - trial by fire.
>
>He and I have talked now at some length and he explained to me about how
>many came unprepared but left enlightened and with solid skills to
>ultimately pass the CCIE Lab - time after time.
>
>One cannot argue his results.
>
>One can only imagine how he keeps his students motivated even when their
>eyes are blood red and their faces are worn out.
>
>Heinz does it time after time - he might as well have a template.
>
>I think you asked about his "Instructors" that he leaves behind. They are
>all former students. The one that is giving a bootcamp in Germany right
>now
>is named "Heiko" and he is a "Dirty Evil Bastard" just like Heinz...
>
>I had the pleasure of experiencing a lab customized by him today... He is
>at least as cunning as Heinz and may even be more...
>
>Heinz is a master. His instructors are chosen and are groomed accordingly.
>He watches them just like we watches us.
>
>It is an amazing thing really.
>
>I would say if you can - do whatever you need to do and get 3 weeks to get
>to his classes - even if you had to do them week by week. - Although three
>weeks at one time would be best - it seems.
>
>I'm not only preaching this, I'm looking for a way to do it myself.
>
>It is worth it. 3 Weeks in Hell for a career of
>being a more capable CCIE...
>
>Not a bad bargain if I am any judge.
>
>His 3 Week pricing is cheaper that most other vendors
>2 Week offerings.
>
>His hotel rates are 1/2 to 1/3 the price of places like Herndon - I paid
>over $100.00 and $175.00 for hotels there.
>
>Overall it is not only the most complete training but it also the best
>bargain for the buck.
>
>While I like the InternetworkExpert COD, and I love the reviews. They are
>great but they assume one is going to do labs - Heinz makes no such
>assumptions.
>You simply do labs and more labs and have more problems at each layer of
>the
>OSI-model to contend with.
>
>Totally A-W-E-S-O-M-E!!!
>
>He is professional. He checks his email twice per day while giving
>classes.
>
>He's Germman and is always punctual.
>
>Oh yes - he pays for meals as well - each day - while he continues to
>assail
>your brain with more twisters.
>
>With NMC-1 and NMC-2 -> Probably the closest I have seen to Heinz, their is
>no NMC-0 built in... If you are behind and need to catch up, you usually
>have to do it yourself and perhaps take another week or two to repeat the
>class - More $$$ even if only for Travel and Expenses. I've been there and
>done that as well.
>
>Heinz covered this gap and covered it quite well. He takes nothing for
>granted. He asks you to come prepared, but if you falter, he is there to
>catch you and berate you a bit and motivate you to move on...
>
>
>His training is simply the B-O-M-B!!!
>
>I'm really wondering why he is not mentioned more here on GS.
>
>He teaches all over the world. Someone in the mideast (Not to mention
>names) used his name to sell their products... Hmmm... Think about this
>one...
>
>He was not happy with it, but imitation is the highest form of flattery.
>
>You won't find his labs on the Internet, on any Newsgroups or any FTP...
>His students appreciate that this is his livelihood and respect that.
>
>You will have to and visit the Master-Jedi Yoda all on your own...
>
>Some CCIE instructors have multiple CCIE's but the very best at RS have one
>CCIE RS and Mr. Heinz and Mr.
>Caslow set the standards for being the very best.
>
>In any event it is 3am in Denver and I have to sleep - I'm very dehydrated
>and am still a quite a bit sick.
>
>Later...
>
>Darby
>
>
>--- Danny Cox <dandermanuk@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Useful feedback Derby, thanks - especially as you've spent so much
> > time evaluating so many of the vendors. It's harder in Europe - the
> > best guys are in the US. The only other guy who has a particularly
> > high reputation in Europe that I'm aware of is Martin Shortland of
> > Kinetic Edu but I he's always booked up with company courses
> >
> > Ah well
> >
> > Thanks again and i hope your brain survives
> >
> > Danny
> >
> > On 22/03/07, Darby Weaver <darbyweaver@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> > > If I had to explain why his labs are so unique,
> > then
> > > one may never understand...
> > >
> > > Another student wrote me from Germany - Heiko is
> > the
> > > instructor there and apparently he had a play in
> > that
> > > nasty lab I was presented today...
> > >
> > > Someone asked how the quality was of Heinz's instructors were...
> > > Hmmmm... Apparently the
> > apple
> > > did not fall.
>
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