From: Scott Morris (swm@emanon.com)
Date: Thu Mar 22 2007 - 08:53:07 ART
While the diatribes are an interesting read (backup career in marketing?), I
do finally have to take issue with something:
"Some CCIE instructors have multiple CCIE's but the very best at RS have one
CCIE RS and Mr. Heinz and Mr. Caslow set the standards for being the very
best."
While I will be the first to admit that I've never met Mr. Ulm (Heinz is
first name as I recall), I've known Mr. Caslow for years. Having one or
multiple CCIE's has nothing to do with making someone the best or better
than anyone else. It's simply a different set of experiences. I have great
respect for Bruce Caslow (and all the NMC group), but whether they have one
or more CCIEs a piece has nothing to do with the quality or ranking of their
work!
While you appear to have taken the NMC courses and are now in Heinz's
bootcamp, I certainly appreciate the idea that you can offer personal
impressions and comparisons between the two illustrating your opinion of
both of those.
However, until you have honestly met and sat through every vendors course,
and truly know their styles and/or capabilities, coming up with assertions
like you do really pushes the novel back to the rank of "marketing fluff"
rather than a truly valuable piece of information.
So if you are on a mission to make statistical comparisons and a ranking,
certainly do so. But if not, tone the marketing down a bit. I think we get
the point.
Just my two cents, of course... But I believe that's what makes an
"impression" anyway, right? ;)
Scott Morris, CCIE4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713, JNCIE
#153, CISSP, et al.
CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-J
IPexpert VP - Curriculum Development
IPexpert Sr. Technical Instructor
smorris@ipexpert.com
http://www.ipexpert.com
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Darby Weaver
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 4:51 AM
To: Danny Cox; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: Heinz Ulm - Day-2 - 1st Impressions - Kinda like the 300, but
he has 500 CCIE's
Thanks Danny,
Yes - Heinz is unique - he takes situations and turns your weaknesses into
strengths.
He teaches how to approach a proctor and he teaches his students how to MAKE
an impression.
He hurts uyour feellings and makes you drop your pride at the door.
However, you are thoroughly reminded at how many people looked before who
walked in your shoes and how many of them got their CCIE's and some within
days of visiting his bootcamp.
He does not understand how anyone can learn or teach everything for the CCIE
in just 5 or 10 days.
He now offers these in the U.S. but he reminds his students of his 3 week -
Get in, Get trained, and Get CCIE philosphy.
He is not nice, his tricks and traps are subtle and if you think you spotted
issue A or even B, you can rest assured you had better find issue C.
His problems are OSI-layered and he expects his students to know the
difference or if not to learn them - trial by fire.
He and I have talked now at some length and he explained to me about how
many came unprepared but left enlightened and with solid skills to
ultimately pass the CCIE Lab - time after time.
One cannot argue his results.
One can only imagine how he keeps his students motivated even when their
eyes are blood red and their faces are worn out.
Heinz does it time after time - he might as well have a template.
I think you asked about his "Instructors" that he leaves behind. They are
all former students. The one that is giving a bootcamp in Germany right now
is named "Heiko" and he is a "Dirty Evil Bastard" just like Heinz...
I had the pleasure of experiencing a lab customized by him today... He is
at least as cunning as Heinz and may even be more...
Heinz is a master. His instructors are chosen and are groomed accordingly.
He watches them just like we watches us.
It is an amazing thing really.
I would say if you can - do whatever you need to do and get 3 weeks to get
to his classes - even if you had to do them week by week. - Although three
weeks at one time would be best - it seems.
I'm not only preaching this, I'm looking for a way to do it myself.
It is worth it. 3 Weeks in Hell for a career of
being a more capable CCIE...
Not a bad bargain if I am any judge.
His 3 Week pricing is cheaper that most other vendors
2 Week offerings.
His hotel rates are 1/2 to 1/3 the price of places like Herndon - I paid
over $100.00 and $175.00 for hotels there.
Overall it is not only the most complete training but it also the best
bargain for the buck.
While I like the InternetworkExpert COD, and I love the reviews. They are
great but they assume one is going to do labs - Heinz makes no such
assumptions.
You simply do labs and more labs and have more problems at each layer of the
OSI-model to contend with.
Totally A-W-E-S-O-M-E!!!
He is professional. He checks his email twice per day while giving classes.
He's Germman and is always punctual.
Oh yes - he pays for meals as well - each day - while he continues to assail
your brain with more twisters.
With NMC-1 and NMC-2 -> Probably the closest I have seen to Heinz, their is
no NMC-0 built in... If you are behind and need to catch up, you usually
have to do it yourself and perhaps take another week or two to repeat the
class - More $$$ even if only for Travel and Expenses. I've been there and
done that as well.
Heinz covered this gap and covered it quite well. He takes nothing for
granted. He asks you to come prepared, but if you falter, he is there to
catch you and berate you a bit and motivate you to move on...
His training is simply the B-O-M-B!!!
I'm really wondering why he is not mentioned more here on GS.
He teaches all over the world. Someone in the mideast (Not to mention
names) used his name to sell their products... Hmmm... Think about this
one...
He was not happy with it, but imitation is the highest form of flattery.
You won't find his labs on the Internet, on any Newsgroups or any FTP...
His students appreciate that this is his livelihood and respect that.
You will have to and visit the Master-Jedi Yoda all on your own...
Some CCIE instructors have multiple CCIE's but the very best at RS have one
CCIE RS and Mr. Heinz and Mr.
Caslow set the standards for being the very best.
In any event it is 3am in Denver and I have to sleep - I'm very dehydrated
and am still a quite a bit sick.
Later...
Darby
--- Danny Cox <dandermanuk@gmail.com> wrote:
> Useful feedback Derby, thanks - especially as you've spent so much
> time evaluating so many of the vendors. It's harder in Europe - the
> best guys are in the US. The only other guy who has a particularly
> high reputation in Europe that I'm aware of is Martin Shortland of
> Kinetic Edu but I he's always booked up with company courses
>
> Ah well
>
> Thanks again and i hope your brain survives
>
> Danny
>
> On 22/03/07, Darby Weaver <darbyweaver@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> > If I had to explain why his labs are so unique,
> then
> > one may never understand...
> >
> > Another student wrote me from Germany - Heiko is
> the
> > instructor there and apparently he had a play in
> that
> > nasty lab I was presented today...
> >
> > Someone asked how the quality was of Heinz's instructors were...
> > Hmmmm... Apparently the
> apple
> > did not fall.
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