From: awoland@aim.com
Date: Sun Feb 25 2007 - 14:13:04 ART
WOW... I personally cannot beleive the mixed amount of rumor floating around this list on the ASA 8.0... What I find even harder to believe is that you feel the PIX/ASA were/are mediocre products...
I come from a CheckPoint & NetScreen Background; also a background of PIX, Cisco Centri Firewall (dead) and many, many others... I can certainly say that there isn't a SINGLE firewall that is better than the PIX/ASA... You cannot tell me that CheckPoint didn't have it's share of bugs, and you CERTAINLY can't say that about NetScreen...
What you CAN credit Cisco for is always providing investment protection & a WORLD class feature list in their products... When I wanted to upgrade my NetScreen 5200's & 5400's to have Deep Packet inspection, I had to fork-lift upgrade them to ISG's/SSG's... If I wanted deep packet inspection on my PIX, I had to upgrade from 6.x to 7.x... No chassis replacement, and CERTAINLY no re-wiring, etc...
8.0 was originally going to be 7.3 & includes bug fixes. However, Cisco has advanced the code in 7.3 so much & added so much more FREE functionality, that it warranted re-numbering to a whole new train! The ASA 8.0 includes over 30+ application inspection engines (industry termed deep packet inspection)... There is no other single platform that can provide that level of intelligence without adding in an IPS module, etc... And that is available in the same 515 or 525 I have owned for 5.5 years...
8.0 also makes the Cisco ASA an industry LEADER in the SSL VPN market... The features/functionality/usability of the product + the performance enhancements it offers are unheard of in a single software release!
But, I guess your right... Lets bash the company that continues to provide us the best products with the most investment protection in the industry... How dare they continue to provide value.
To all who didn't deserve this thread, I appologize... But I am frustrated with people on this list bashing Cisco & making it seem like the grass is not only more green on the other side, but also that it is BROWN on the Cisco side of the fence...
-Aaron
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of tdt_cciesec
Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 11:15 AM
To: Kal Han; M A
Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com; security@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: ASA 8.0 I found the idea that Cisco is going to release version 8.0 soon to be really laughable. It must be a sick joke or something. Instead of releasing version 8.0, why dont they just concentrate on fixing all the bugs currently in 7.x and make it stable before going with 8.x? IMHO, cisco should have version 7.2(2) or whatever the flavor at the moment from "ED" to "GD" before releasing 8.x code. By releasing 8.x (anytime soon I guess) before having a stable release of 7.x, telling me that cisco has no credibility. I am a big Cisco fan but they really turn me off when they start doing stuffs like this. It is no wonder why Checkpoint and Juniper have been kicking cisco in the butt when it comes to security. Cisco Pix and ASA are already a mediocre product and now cisco will make it worse. my 2c tdt Kal Han <calikali2006@gmail.com> wrote: 8.0 will run on both the platforms. But its going have separate images for pix and asa. Unlike 7.2.2 which has !
only one/same image for both the platforms. 8.0 is mainly going to be web-vpn oriented release. Might be releasing a software client for ssl vpn s. Also you can expect to run more routing protocols on these boxes. and some enhanced(rather new) voice security feature.... etc Plus it will do everything VPN3K has been doing as they announced that ASA is a complete super set of VPN3K. (nac, web vpn with lots of features etc ) Ofcourse some of these features are already existing in 7.2 Thanks Kal On 2/22/07, M A wrote: > > I get the feeling that 8.0 will only run on the ASA, not the PIX. Does > anyone know for sure? > > Thanks. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Church, Chuck" > To: "Larry Roberts" ; "Christopher M. > Heffner" > Cc: ; > Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 11:47 PM > Subject: RE: ASA 8.0 > > > > How about support for traffic shaping, and NBAR (without needing a > > separate IDS module)? Those would be nice for one customer I deal with > > - Wir!
eless ISP, limited bandwidth, has VoIP, and P2P traffic :( > >!
> > > >
Chuck Church > > Network Engineer > > CCIE #8776, MCNE, MCSE > > Multimax, Inc. > > Enterprise Network Engineering > > Home Office - 864-335-9473 > > Cell - 864-266-3978 > > cchurch@multimax.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of > > Larry Roberts > > Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 8:05 PM > > To: Christopher M. Heffner > > Cc: Kaleem Khawaja; Tim; ccielab@groupstudy.com; security@groupstudy.com > > Subject: Re: ASA 8.0 > > > > I will give you a teaser... > > > > Think proprietary enhanced best path indicator.... > > > > > > I'm running the beta code for 8.0 and ASDM 6.0 and it seems pretty > > good. The changes made to ASDM make it more user friendly as well. > > I have been focused on its certificate support for SSL and remote admin > > but I plan to dig into it in more depth shortly. > > > > And before the question comes in, no I wont give it out.... > > > > :) > > > > > > Larry > > > > Chris!
topher M. Heffner wrote: > >> Tim, > >> > >> Cisco PIX/ASA 8.0 is still in beta testing so the only documentation > >> available at this time is for the beta testers. I can tell you that > >> there are some really "COOL A**" changes coming down the line that I > >> have been testing in the beta program. > >> > >> Cisco is going all out with this release! > >> > >> Stay tuned for the official release in the near future. > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> Christopher M. Heffner, CCIE 8211, CCSI 98760 > >> Strategic Network Solutions, Inc. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf > > Of > >> Kaleem Khawaja > >> Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 2:53 PM > >> To: Tim > >> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com; security@groupstudy.com > >> Subject: Re: ASA 8.0 > >> > >> Tim, > >> > >> I think you are correct, it seems that some one jumped the gun on this > >> > >> take a look > >> > >> http://www.breezy.ca/?q=no!
de/116 > >> and > >> > >> http://www.linksysinfo.org/forums/sh!
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.php?t=51386 > >> > >> > >> On 2/21/07, Tim wrote: > >> > >>> Hey Kaleem, > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Yep, I had this. I was looking for technical details, not marketing > >>> glitz. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> I think that maybe Cisco hasn't posted any real tech info on this > > yet. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> But, I donno for sure. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Thanks, Tim > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------ > >>> > >>> *From:* Kaleem Khawaja [mailto:kaleem.khawaja@gmail.com] > >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 21, 2007 12:15 PM > >>> *To:* Tim > >>> *Cc:* security@groupstudy.com > >>> *Subject:* Re: ASA 8.0 > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Tim, > >>> > >>> I am not sure if you have looked at this already or not, but here is > >>> > >> one > >> > >>> presentation > >>> > >>> > >> > > http://www.cisco.com/application/pdf/en/us/guest/products/ps6120/c1161/c > >> dccont_0900aecd805c768e.pdf > >> > >>> > >>> On 2/21/07, *Tim* wrote: > >>> > >>> Hi Guys, > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> I've spent hou!
rs trying to find detailed info on what's new with > >>> > >> version > >> > >>> ASA > >>> 8.0 > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> So far, no luck. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Is the info just not posted yet? > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> If anyone knows where to find this info, can you post the links? > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> TIA, Tim --------------------------------- Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on Yahoo! Answers.
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