From: Darby Weaver (darbyweaver@yahoo.com)
Date: Tue Feb 20 2007 - 02:13:08 ART
Very well said Scott.
Also - Narbik, check your mail - I took it offline to
clear things up a bit.
Night guys...
:)
--- Scott Morris <swm@emanon.com> wrote:
> Guys... This is clearly one of those things that
> will escalate WAY beyond
> the point of useful information or entertaining
> banter.
>
> Quantity alone does not indicate a better choice,
> nor does price. Being an
> instructor I will attempt to quash the urge to come
> up with a colorful
> analogy involving a car comparison or anything else
> involving multiple
> choices and statistics among them.
>
> Let's just leave it at there are multiple choices
> out there, and each one
> has its merits and likely its bad points too. Each
> one has a slightly
> different approach to doing things, marketing
> things, and plotting ways to
> take over the world.
>
> Some things may appeal to some people, others may
> not. However whether our
> name in the snow is written in block letters,
> cursive, or someone else's
> handwriting entirely should not make any difference
> and doesn't help anyone
> else learn anything.
>
> Opinions are like .... Well, you get the idea.
> Everyone has one. Let it
> rest and get back to the more appropriate technical
> discussions. It
> prevents me from filling up my Deleted Items folder.
> ;)
>
>
> Scott Morris, CCIE4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service
> Provider) #4713, JNCIE
> #153, CISSP, et al.
> CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-J
> IPexpert VP - Curriculum Development
> IPexpert Sr. Technical Instructor
> smorris@ipexpert.com
> http://www.ipexpert.com
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com
> [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Narbik Kocharians
> Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 9:53 PM
> To: istong@stong.org
> Cc: Darby Weaver; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: Passing CCIE Stats.
>
> DW,
> There is this author that goes around from
> restaurant to restaurant and
> tastes the food and compares the menus and writes an
> article in the local
> news paper, they just recently found out that the
> guy was an alcoholic and
> his taste bbbbbbbuds were shot, I didn't know that
> group study was
> interviewing for a commentator and/or I have not
> seen or read your new paper
> or articles, but you should stop drinking, because
> its starting to effect
> your taste buuuuuuds as well. Mate you are so wrong
> it's beyond discussion.
>
>
> On 2/19/07, Ian Stong <istong@stong.org> wrote:
> >
> > One other note - I would not put too much weight
> in the number of
> > CCIE's posted on a website that have used a
> particular vendors
> > product. Some vendors offer nicer incentives to
> candidates to keep
> > them posted on their passing or not and some just
> are better at marketing
> it than others.
> > Nothing against any of the vendors - just an
> observation....
> >
> >
> > Ian
> > www.ccie4u.com
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com
> [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> > Of Darby Weaver
> > Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 7:52 PM
> > To: Narbik Kocharians; Marvin Greenlee
> > Cc: Brian Dennis; jennytan; Brian McGahan;
> ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: Passing CCIE Stats.
> >
> > All,
> >
> > Brian Dennis has a valid point, their site does
> list a very impressive
> > list of passing CCIE's (the most of any vendor
> currently and for a
> > while now) and if an existing CCIE with a lower
> CCIE number actually
> > reported passing using the InternetworkExpert
> End-to-End CCIE program
> > of study (for the first time,
> > perhaps) then, I suspect that lower number would
> probably show up
> > close to the top of the list.
> >
> > And recall that many CCIE's pass and have used one
> or more vendor's
> > products - so a given name might show up on one or
> more sites.
> >
> > What the list does not show is which vendors
> helped them make it over
> > the edge - this you'll have to read the success
> stories here on GS for
> > or simply ask them.
> >
> > Now, I hate to hurt anyone's feelings but just
> about anyone (someone
> > may want to count them and actually try and
> correct me here) who has
> > ever used InternetworkExpert's materials has
> typically put them in the
> > "this is why I passed" category. Going a step
> further, I have also
> > read some other less flattering comments about
> other vendors as well
> > in the same testimonials, but overall those who
> pass using more than
> > one vendor's materials will be cordial to all who
> helped them along
> > the way.
> >
> > So, what I got from this, after reading so many
> CCIE success stories
> > over the past 6-7 years is that InternetworkExpert
> is burning CCIE's
> > faster than a "skillet of popcorn"... on a high
> heat.
> >
> > What is more it seems is that if all of the people
> who are passing
> > using the IE materials were using other vendor's
> materials, the other
> > vendors are failing to keep track of it and
> posting it as a result
> > (this might mean a poor repoire - but I do not
> believe that at all -
> > so it does mean that IE must be selling like
> hotcakes).
> >
> > I do not want to tell anyone how to run their
> business's or pricing
> > model, but $5000.00 for an end to end program -
> including workbook,
> > audio, 2 weeks in class in-person, COD, 1 Week
> Mock Labs, and another
> > set of 10 Core Labs, and an ever-increasing
> technology library - CAN
> > BE VERY VERY PERSUASIVE, especially given the
> quality of the goods.
> > They are typically rate 5 STARS (*****).
> >
> > So if you are another vendor and you cost more
> than something like
> > this, you might want to re-evaluate your pricing
> plans - unless you
> > have enough business
> > already:
> >
> > 1. 2 Weeks CCIE-Level Foundations - If you cost
> more that
> > $3000-5000.00 - you might have some issues
> competing.
> >
> > 2. 1 Week Mock Labs - If you cost more than say
> $1000.00 or so... You
> > could find it very hard to compete.
> >
> > 3. If your whole program exceeds say $5,000.00
> end-to-end - You got
> > issues.
> >
> > 4. If you do not have an equal or better group of
> product offerings -
> > You may have some problems competing with these
> guys.
> >
>
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