From: Darby Weaver (darbyweaver@yahoo.com)
Date: Sun Feb 18 2007 - 19:10:42 ART
Yan,
The correct answer is "it depends".
However, considering that the QoS and Security items
typically tend to run the potential to break things, I
have tried to get items into a sort of ratio as my own
personal goal.
You may find those items easy and be able to know them
out in a couple of hours, I prefer to have more time
on them.
But switching can be troublesome as someone has
already pointed out and indeed it is designed to be.
I am dealing with quite a few "tiangles" at work with
regard to Spanning-Tree and am hoping my
troubleshooting skills are up to task.
We've spent about 80 hours with several VLANs handling
them on a Per-VLAN basis.
But in the end each person may have differing
strengths.
I've spent most of time this past year hammering layer
2.
In fact a book by Cisco Press called Practical
Swtudies: Switching deals with this a lot but does so
for both the CatOs and IOS so most CCIE candidates may
simply dismiss it since it is not 100% lab focused.
And the models in the examples are obviously not all
3550's.
But, luckily having had to deal with one huge layer 2
network for the last 2 years and now having several
medium-sized networks with lots of layer 2 issues, I'm
keeping my hands warm.
--- "Filyurin, Yan" <yan.filyurin@eds.com> wrote:
> Actually that makes me ask a question. Is there a
> kind of hard set
> timeline for when different task are to be done
> during the lab? Should
> it be proportional to points. In other words and I
> am only basing it on
> practice lab. If let's say Switching, WAN, IGP/BGP
> and IPV6 is worth
> say 70 points, is it okay to be finishing that stuff
> in say 6-7 hours
> instead of five hours?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com
> [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Brian Dennis
> Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 4:30 PM
> To: Darby Weaver; Cisco certification
> Subject: Re: Lab Approach - Getting Ready for the
> 3rd Shot At The Title
>
> I'm not sure if you've looked over the new labs but
> you maybe in for
> some curve balls. Here is why I'm saying this.
> First off planning for
> 20 to 25 minutes in switching could be a little low
> depending on what
> you get. We have anywhere from 7 to 30 points per
> lab related to
> switching. That's on top of any troubleshooting
> issues that may need to
> be resolved prior to starting. Also don't count on
> always having the
> easy points (basic switching, IGP, BGP, etc) to
> pickup in the beginning.
> You could find a lot of it done for you in the
> initial configurations.
>
> --
>
> Brian Dennis, CCIE4 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP)
> bdennis@internetworkexpert.com
>
> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
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>
>
> On 2/18/07 1:07 PM, "Darby Weaver"
> <darbyweaver@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Lab Approach - Getting Ready for the 3rd Shot At
> The Title
> >
> > By the time you are actually ready to pass the
> lab, you will probably
> > be able to complete the lab in under
> > 8 hours with or without aliases.
> >
> > Create yourself goals and work to them.
> >
> > Example:
> >
> > Read the whole lab (about 17-25 pages with
> diagrams) - Figure about
> > 15-30 minutes - you may want to draw diagrams or
> create lists with
> > areas for points to mark off as you progress.
> >
> > Frame Relay: 10-15 minutes with verification
> >
> > Switching: 20-25 minutes with vertifcation
> >
> > IGPs: (RIP/EIGRP/OSPF/ODR/IPv6) 30-60 minutes with
> verification
> > (includes like filtering and summarizations as
> well)
> >
> > ================================================
> > Usually this should be done within about the 2nd
> hour or so and any
> > "issues" if you have any should also be completed
> by this time.
> > ================================================
> > A 3-5 minute quick TCL script for routers and a
> macro for switches
> > will quickly enable you to verify full
> connectivity. Sometimes you
> > may or may not wish to include BGP in this step -
> so you could wait a
> > bit and do it after BGP.
> > ------------------------------------------------
> >
> > BGP: 30-60 minutes with verification (assume 10-15
> minutes to
> > configure any iBGPs and eBGP neighboging
> relationships and the bulk of
>
> > the time to work on whatever real problems you may
> be asked to perform
>
> > or solve).
> >
> > Multicast: 20-30 minutes with verification (enable
> pim
> > 3-5 minutes, figure out what they are asking and
> solve the problem)
> > ===============================================
> >
> > Right about now you may want to reload your
> routers and run your
> > TCL/MACRO scripts again - just so you know where
> you are.
> >
> > If you started at or about 7:30am - it should be
> around 11am or 11:30
> > about now...
> >
> > If you are not here and your head is not clear -
> your chances of
> > passing are probably rapidly diminishing.
> >
> > I'd say at this point, you would have completed
> some 60-70% of your
> > exam and this is probably where you are feeling
> either very relieved
> > or very stressed and the world is closing in on
> your very, very
> > fast...
> >
> >
> > ***********************************************
> > About time for Lunch
> > 30 Minutes
> >
> > If you look at yourself and you are as pale as the
> corpses around you,
>
> > start thinking about what you are going to tell
> everyone about how you
>
> > almost past the lab this time but you failed on
> some 5-6 point
> > non-essential task. They will comfort you.
> >
> > If you are wide-eyed and bushy-tailed wondering
> what your favorite
> > selection of alcohol might be to celebrate and
> where you are finally
> > going to go in Hawaii snce you finally tamed the
> beast - you are in
> > pretty good shape.
> >
> > In either event, you need to have taken a look at
> any security, ip
> > miscellaneous tasks, and qos items so that you are
> thinking about how
> > you are going to approach them when you get back
> in the ring.
> >
> > Remember at this point, you have probably 10-20
> points needed to pass
> > but you want to treat each one like it is the one
> that will put you
> > over the edge, finally.
> > ***********************************************
> >
> > Re-run the scripts again - sanity checks are nice
> and if they worked
> > before they will now as well. Double check
> everything - since this
> > was probably 60-70% of the exam and likely the
> easist part so far -
> > why lose
> > 2 or 3 points here and there because you assumed
> something...
> >
> > So you get back in the ring and you have about 4
> hours left - choose
> > wisely, but do not forget the DOC Cd if you do get
> stuck and ask the
> > proctors about anything in the qos or security you
> still do not
> > understand or may have mis-interpretted.
> >
> > Don't make hasty changes that might break your
> work so far.
> >
> > Just thinking - Gotta update my final checksheet
> aka modified Jung
> > Soo's Checklist...
> >
> >
>
=====================================================
> >
> > Today is February 18th and the while I have
> scheduled my lab for a few
>
> > dates this year, I have re-scheduled for May 22nd
> 2007 at the moment -
>
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