From: Filyurin, Yan (yan.filyurin@eds.com)
Date: Sun Feb 18 2007 - 18:54:26 ART
Actually that makes me ask a question. Is there a kind of hard set
timeline for when different task are to be done during the lab? Should
it be proportional to points. In other words and I am only basing it on
practice lab. If let's say Switching, WAN, IGP/BGP and IPV6 is worth
say 70 points, is it okay to be finishing that stuff in say 6-7 hours
instead of five hours?
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From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Brian Dennis
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 4:30 PM
To: Darby Weaver; Cisco certification
Subject: Re: Lab Approach - Getting Ready for the 3rd Shot At The Title
I'm not sure if you've looked over the new labs but you maybe in for
some curve balls. Here is why I'm saying this. First off planning for
20 to 25 minutes in switching could be a little low depending on what
you get. We have anywhere from 7 to 30 points per lab related to
switching. That's on top of any troubleshooting issues that may need to
be resolved prior to starting. Also don't count on always having the
easy points (basic switching, IGP, BGP, etc) to pickup in the beginning.
You could find a lot of it done for you in the initial configurations.
--Brian Dennis, CCIE4 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP) bdennis@internetworkexpert.com Internetwork Expert, Inc. http://www.InternetworkExpert.com Toll Free: 877-224-8987 Direct: 775-745-6404 (Outside the US and Canada)
On 2/18/07 1:07 PM, "Darby Weaver" <darbyweaver@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Lab Approach - Getting Ready for the 3rd Shot At The Title > > By the time you are actually ready to pass the lab, you will probably > be able to complete the lab in under > 8 hours with or without aliases. > > Create yourself goals and work to them. > > Example: > > Read the whole lab (about 17-25 pages with diagrams) - Figure about > 15-30 minutes - you may want to draw diagrams or create lists with > areas for points to mark off as you progress. > > Frame Relay: 10-15 minutes with verification > > Switching: 20-25 minutes with vertifcation > > IGPs: (RIP/EIGRP/OSPF/ODR/IPv6) 30-60 minutes with verification > (includes like filtering and summarizations as well) > > ================================================ > Usually this should be done within about the 2nd hour or so and any > "issues" if you have any should also be completed by this time. > ================================================ > A 3-5 minute quick TCL script for routers and a macro for switches > will quickly enable you to verify full connectivity. Sometimes you > may or may not wish to include BGP in this step - so you could wait a > bit and do it after BGP. > ------------------------------------------------ > > BGP: 30-60 minutes with verification (assume 10-15 minutes to > configure any iBGPs and eBGP neighboging relationships and the bulk of
> the time to work on whatever real problems you may be asked to perform
> or solve). > > Multicast: 20-30 minutes with verification (enable pim > 3-5 minutes, figure out what they are asking and solve the problem) > =============================================== > > Right about now you may want to reload your routers and run your > TCL/MACRO scripts again - just so you know where you are. > > If you started at or about 7:30am - it should be around 11am or 11:30 > about now... > > If you are not here and your head is not clear - your chances of > passing are probably rapidly diminishing. > > I'd say at this point, you would have completed some 60-70% of your > exam and this is probably where you are feeling either very relieved > or very stressed and the world is closing in on your very, very > fast... > > > *********************************************** > About time for Lunch > 30 Minutes > > If you look at yourself and you are as pale as the corpses around you,
> start thinking about what you are going to tell everyone about how you
> almost past the lab this time but you failed on some 5-6 point > non-essential task. They will comfort you. > > If you are wide-eyed and bushy-tailed wondering what your favorite > selection of alcohol might be to celebrate and where you are finally > going to go in Hawaii snce you finally tamed the beast - you are in > pretty good shape. > > In either event, you need to have taken a look at any security, ip > miscellaneous tasks, and qos items so that you are thinking about how > you are going to approach them when you get back in the ring. > > Remember at this point, you have probably 10-20 points needed to pass > but you want to treat each one like it is the one that will put you > over the edge, finally. > *********************************************** > > Re-run the scripts again - sanity checks are nice and if they worked > before they will now as well. Double check everything - since this > was probably 60-70% of the exam and likely the easist part so far - > why lose > 2 or 3 points here and there because you assumed something... > > So you get back in the ring and you have about 4 hours left - choose > wisely, but do not forget the DOC Cd if you do get stuck and ask the > proctors about anything in the qos or security you still do not > understand or may have mis-interpretted. > > Don't make hasty changes that might break your work so far. > > Just thinking - Gotta update my final checksheet aka modified Jung > Soo's Checklist... > > ===================================================== > > Today is February 18th and the while I have scheduled my lab for a few
> dates this year, I have re-scheduled for May 22nd 2007 at the moment -
> but I am keeping it tentative pending my ability to get my graded labs
> over the 80 point mark consisently and really aiming for the 90th > percentile to account for any uncertainties that may occur. > > I have spent this weekend working out some weak points and I must > thank InternetworkExpert for their website filled with so many items > that I have been deficient on; I have to add NMC and their wondrous > tech library since it holds more wonders than one can ever hope to > understand in just one sitting; I have to thank NLI for their > workbooks and their per-topic content guides; and of course IPExpert > for their magical e-Scenarios that bring a lot of topics home. > > Basically, this weekend was spent analyzing all the mistakes I made > last year, thankfully as time passed I also spent time doing more > research on each problem area and hopefully I have grown to understand
> all or most of all of them by now. I still have a couple of items I > am contending with but they are fast becoming strengths instead of > just weaknesses. > > In light that while I have closed some gaps since my first and last > showing at RTP, I also realize that I have not spent so much time > doing full scale labs and only a very few "Core-Labs == Thanks to IE > for making these gems - 2 hours of speed drills". > > So I decided to go to another round of Mock Labs this year and due to > my work schedule and vacation package I had to wait a bit, but March > is only a few days away, so this time I figured I'd start out with Mr > Heinz Ulm and so he let me in and I've paid and booked to see the > German born CCIE-Maker himself. > > To prepare for this meeting and his arsenal of Mock Labs, I decided to
> set a bit of a nightmare schedule for just doing labs, as I get better
> and better with more practice and practice under stress. > > So here's what I decided for a warm up scedule: > > Feb 19-23 ~6 hours of labs per night - NMC Workbook Feb 24/25 ~36 > hours non-stop labs - IE Workbook Feb 26 - March 2nd ~ 6 hours of labs
> per night - NMC Workbook March 3/4 ~36 hours of non-stop labs - IE > Workbook March 5-9 ~6 hours of labs per night - NMC Workbook March > 10/11 ~36 hours of non-stop labs - IE Workbook March 12-15 ~6 hours of
> labs per night - NMC Workbook March 16th - Quick Read during trip of > NLI Workbooks March 16th - NMC-1 Cat-QoS Labs that night till about > midnight or so. > March 17th - NMC-1 BGP/Multicast Labs Review March 18th - NMC-1 QoS > Labs Review > > At this point, I should have covered a lot of ground, be ready for a > lot of topics and also be pretty well warmed up for whatever I might > encounter during the week with Heinz Ulm. > > As far as I know the week will cover 4 challnging lab scenarios and I > believe he is said to supply one more for the road. > > Immediately after this battery of stress tests, I expect to want to > rest after class - and get some sleep. > > Till the morning of the 24th, I thought I might try and schedule both > CCIE Accessors and see where I am with Cisco's own labs. > > The 25th I'd be traveling again and reading my lab workbooks from NLI > - Love the Q/A guys - keeps me humming along. > > The immediate week after, I expect to be fairly weary but at the same > time would have time to adjust my schedule for my lab and/or make > appropriate plans for further study. > > If by some stretch if the imagination, my scores are in the high 80's > or even 90's on average, then, I expect my lab date would be modified > to the earliest available date. However, if they are not then, I > might try to take some more Mock/CheckIT Labs to conduct further > analysis of my remaining deficiencies. > > In any event, I am expecting to be able to afford at least 2 - 4 more > weeks of classes either prior to May 22nd or thereafter, since my > co-worker is starting his own study as well and two of my former > co-workers are as well, chances are one or more of them may accompany > me at a class. > > So this is about where I am after getting serious about my studies > this time last year. > > I still remember speaking with Bruce Caslow at NMC-2 later in April of
> last year and actually believing Imigh actually close about a 25-point
> gap in about 2 months or so... > > Actually to be truly lab ready I would have required more like 35+ > points and these points would be a bit harder to amass than the > previous 55 points had been. > > I did have warning signs with both the CCIE Accessor and with IE's > Mock Lab Workshop where my scores did not fare much better again being
> about in the mid 50's > - even on the 8 hour timed level (recall at NMC - I had a bit more > time and more access to help so my some of my points would have been > artificially elevated as a result). > > All of the warning signs for a lab failure, but I was naive as many of
> us are, my lab was then within the 30-day window and my written > 18-month period was ready to expire soon after the lab attempt on June
> 16th... > > So like many of us I tried anyway and I went again in October, though > truthfully the only thing I had improved upon was a little speed and > the ability to attain a Golden Moment. I left a few critical areas > areas behind in my studies and they did not magically appear to save > the day when I was in my hour of need during the my seocnd lab attempt
> either. It just does not work that way. > > Well that's it... for now. > > Let's see how many hours I can actually clock according to my stated > timeline and if I actually can close my own known gaping holes before > I meet Mr. Ulm. > > ______________________________________________________________________ > _ Subscription information may be found at: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html
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