From: George Bethel (george_bethel@yahoo.com)
Date: Sat Feb 17 2007 - 03:05:13 ART
This is my worthless opinion on the matter.
Your CCIE# is assigned to you by Cisco. There is nothing saying that your
employer is entitled to it. For them to gain benefit of it your CCO account
must be listed under their partner account or possibly a service contract,
and your CCIE# must be entered on your CCO account. And there is nothing
they can do about it if you refuse to put your CCIE# in your CCO account,
except fire you.
You could try to negotiate a raise. The most effective method, as someone
else said, is to get an offer at another company and get your current
employer to match it. That way you don't have to negotiate at all. You are
just throwing down the gauntlet or telling them it is what it is. It may
take you 4-6 weeks to get a new position though and you may not have enough
time if they are putting pressure on you. If you use this method there is a
good possibility that they will always bear a grudge against you even though
you stay. Measure their reaction to you carefully regardless of how you
handle this. If you think this is going to poison the relationship then
kick em to the curb now. No one else will be as concerned for your best
interest as yourself. Standing up for yourself isn't selfish or greedy.
You've made a very significant investment of time, effort, and money in
getting the CCIE. No one makes an investment without the expectation of
making a return. Anyone who would try to convince you otherwise must think
very little of you. Take note of that and consider if you want to continue
investing time in a working relationship with that sort of person.
From my experience you will always get more money by simply getting a new
job and leaving. Without knowing all the details, moving on is what I
would actually recommend. Look forward not backward. It is an unfortunate
reality that employers repeatedly fail to appreciate the value potential of
the help they have on hand. But they'll search for months to find someone
they don't know as a replacement and even pay them more money. If you leave
and they want you to pay them back for the cost of the lab then you should.
Two things to be careful of. First, you got your CCIE and congratulations.
It will open some doors, especially in dealing with recruiters and getting
your resume noticed. The best thing about the CCIE though is not the cert
at all. It's what you do with your career after you get it. The
possibilities are limitless but of course you will still have to work hard
it. Experience is king. It always was and always will be. Maybe you've
heard this before, but take it to heart. An accurate and objective self
appraisal of your skills, your abilities, and your value is essential to
your success. Engineers with the CCIE and without the right experience will
still have difficulties getting jobs.
Secondly, if there is any doubt that you will stay with your current
employer then do not let them use your CCIE# to enhance their partner
status. If you do that and leave then it will be a year before your next
employer can gain benefit of your CCIE# with Cisco. And this will limit
your marketability if you try to go to another Cisco partner.
Let us know how things turn out and good luck to you.
George
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of Gao,
Qingli
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 3:56 PM
To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: OT- regarding employer using CCIE number from partner cert
I recently got my number at RTP.
I have been preparing for my CCIE lab for 2 years. I joined my current
company several months ago and they only paid for the test fee.
Now they want to use my number for partner cert. They basically require me
to update my CCO account with my CCIE number which I haven't associated it
with my CCO yet.
I just want to know how to negotiate for a pay rate increase. Is there any
doc from CISCO specifies that CCIE number is belonging to me and I have the
right to refuse the usage from current employer?
I am not trying to keep my number from my employer, just feel that I should
at least get some awards for my hard work and all the cost during the past
two years.
Any suggestion will be appreciated.
Thank you!
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