From: Darby Weaver (darbyweaver@yahoo.com)
Date: Fri Feb 16 2007 - 19:32:18 ART
All,
I would think this is a great idea, however, each
vendor is geographically separated. With that being
said for most people this may not be financially,
feasible ($$$)to "audit" 2 or 3 or 4 or more vendors.
Planes, Hotels and Expenses can inhibit this option.
However, if you happen to be local or can audit a
remote session in some fashion this would be a great
idea.
I know several vendors have demos of their products
that are very good. COD/VOD and Subject Snippets of
their offerings.
--- Narbik Kocharians <narbikk@gmail.com> wrote:
> I only have one recommendation:
> If you can, you should audit major vendors boot camp
> and then YOU decide who
> you should go with, i must add they are all great:
> ccbootcamp.com, IPexpert,
> Netmaster and internetwork expert.
> If a vendor does not allow you to audit, i would not
> go with them.
>
>
>
>
> On 2/15/07, Darby Weaver <darbyweaver@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Saurabh,
> >
> > Welcome to Groupstudy's CCIE List.
> >
> > I'll assume you have passed the CCIE Written Exam,
> and
> > if so have a certain familiarity with most topics
> that
> > are on the lab.
> >
> > 1. Go to cisco.com/go/ccie and take a look around
> > there - you will find the CCIE Lab Outline among
> other
> > things.
> >
> > 2. If you decide to go with a vendor, there are
> > several and since you got this far, you probably
> are
> > quite proficient with using search tools - this
> forum
> > has answered this question at least hundred if not
> a
> > thousand times already and the answers have not
> really
> > changed that much over the years and no matter how
> > many times asked.
> >
> > I will tell you that currently, I myself have had
> good
> > experience with all vendor workbooks (yep - I have
> > used them all if nothing else than for additional
> > reading material), and I am going to instead point
> you
> > to another direction - first.
> >
> > Not that you cannot just totally blow me off and
> think
> > I am a bit insane for suggesting you actually read
> the
> > books, do some real exrecises, and gain additional
> > insight before asking the vendors to simply fill
> your
> > head with concepts, terms, tips, tricks and
> valuable
> > advice that you are probably not yet ready to
> > comprehend yet. And no offense is intended - none
> at
> > all.
> >
> >
> >
> > Since you are new, go to lulu.com and search for
> CCIE,
> > you will find Tom Larus, he offers a free guide to
> the
> > CCIE Lab. It is dated and is not quite up to
> date,
> > but you owe it to yourself to have a look and it
> is
> > free so it won't hurt to look.
> >
> > Here is the specific link:
> >
> >
> >
>
http://www.lulu.com/browse/search.php?_shopSearch=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lulu.com%2Fbrowse%2Fsearch.php&_helpSearch=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lulu.com%2Fhelp%2Fsearch.php&_forumSearch=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lulu.com%2Fforums%2Fsearch.php%3Fmode%3Dresults&search_forum=-1&search_cat=2&show_results=topics&return_chars=200&search_keywords=&keys=&fSearch=ccie&fSearchFamily=0
> >
> > Watch the wrap.
> >
> > Not to insult but if you search lulu.com for CCNA,
> you
> > might also find CCNA - Learning by Doing.
> >
> >
> >
>
http://www.lulu.com/browse/search.php?_shopSearch=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lulu.com%2Fbrowse%2Fsearch.php&_helpSearch=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lulu.com%2Fhelp%2Fsearch.php&_forumSearch=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lulu.com%2Fforums%2Fsearch.php%3Fmode%3Dresults&search_forum=-1&search_cat=2&show_results=topics&return_chars=200&search_keywords=&keys=&fSearch=ccna&fSearchFamily=0
> >
> > So either way you can download free or purchase a
> > printed copy for easy reading.
> >
> > I would advise starting here first. Get a feel
> for
> > things.
> >
> > Now that you have read these and hopefully done
> these
> > exercises and got into the groove of expectations.
> >
> > Go to ebay.
> >
> > Perform a search on CCIE. Look for a guy named
> Matt
> > Weber.
> >
> > He offers a quick CCIE RS lab Outline - perhaps
> > 150-200 pages or so that he will send you a print
> copy
> > of.
> >
> > Nice package with a lot of experience and
> practical
> > advice for a little pocket change.
> >
> > Again, I'm going to hep you out:
> >
> >
> >
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/CCIE-Lab-Study-Guide_W0QQitemZ300081690012QQihZ020QQcategoryZ51202QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
> >
> > Now I have found the following items to be
> invaluable
> > and each of the vendors in question will reference
> you
> > to them as well - so I'll save you the trouble and
> > tell you now.
> >
> > 1. InternetworkExpert.com - Tons of good and free
> > links and tips on their site - NTP, FRTS, and
> Subnet
> > Mask Calculations come to my mind - but there is a
> lot
> > more there for free and available just for
> stopping
> > by. - By the way the three I just mentioned to
> you
> > are probably worth at least 8-9 points on your lab
> > whenever you go.
> >
> > 2. Netmasterclass.com - they have a wealth of
> papers
> > on their site and there are probably 20-30 pdfs
> freely
> > available for your usage and perusal - take a look
> and
> > enjoy the free scenery. - Things like Multicast,
> > Native VLAN, Redistribution, BGP topics, RIP, etc.
> > stand out like a sore thumb and will likely serve
> you
> > well in the lab - 10-12 points or so.
> >
> > 3. IPExpert.com - Join get an account - take
> > adavantage of the CCNP and CCIE eScnearios - here
> you
> > will find a wealth of knoweldge freely available.
> I'd
> > say you can round up at least another 10-12 points
> not
> > covered anywhere up above or below. So get them
> while
> > they last.
> >
> > 4. CCBootcamp.com - look around they might refer
> you
> > to their Public FTP Site and if you are keen
> enough to
> > find it, you will also have found a wealth of
> items
> > that you may want to peruse including some current
> and
> > relevant CCIE Advice and lots of other freebies as
> > well - Frame Relay Setup is there as I recall -
> just a
> > lot of good overall and general info. I'm sure a
> > careful eye can find some items that will save
> some
> > pitfalls later.
> >
> > 5. http://www.cisco.com/univercd/home/home.htm -
> Make
> > it your homepage. Bookmark it. Learn it, Live it,
> Eat
> > it, Sleep it, and I even want you to be like Alice
> in
> > Wonderland and dream it.
> >
> > Every vendor will point you here - recall what I
> told
> > you about searching, I want you to use this every
> time
> > you have a problem, a doubt, a concern, etc. If
> you
> > see a table, find it in here. Regular Expressions
> -
> > they are here and I want you to tell me where.
> >
> > Got it. No forgivemess if you pass this one up.
>
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