From: joshua lauer (jslauer@hotmail.com)
Date: Sat Feb 10 2007 - 15:14:05 ART
I totally agree,
the study habits I gained from passing the lab were invaluable. In addition,
being able to digest a difficult scenario in a limited amount of time
enabled me to not only be a better engineer but a better manager. It makes
you less afraid of difficult situations.
jl
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Larus" <tlarus@cox.net>
To: "Du, Jianbo" <jdu@ebay.com>
Cc: "Gobind" <gobind@inbox.com>; "Faryar Zabihi (fzabihi)"
<fzabihi@cisco.com>; "Seemore Tops" <topass_ccie12@hotmail.com>;
<ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: Lab rats make me mad
> If you, Du Jianbo, really believe that the CCIE can ever be considered a
> paper certification, then you:
>
> 1) do not know how hard the process of passing the CCIE Lab is (a lot of
> us underestimated the difficulty for the first few months of preparation)
> or
> 2) you think the CCIE is really not all that valuable, in which case it
> probably is not worth the effort
> or
> 3) you have heard of people who cheated to pass it, so it really was not
> as hard for them as it ought to have been
> or
> 4) you have CCIE and just don't want more competition,
> or
> 5) you have the misconception, shared by many, that the CCIE is Cisco's
> imprimatur or "seal of quality" bestowed on highly experienced network
> engineers. Some people think that is what the CCIE is or should be, but
> it is a test of your ability to master a large, but finite, body of
> material, and execute a series of tasks fraught with many issues that
> will be hidden from you if you do not understand the material well.
>
> Sometimes I actually forget how valuable what I learned from preparing
> for the CCIE Lab can be in the real world, and these "Lab Rat" threads
> get me down, but then something happens to remind me that I gained
> valuable knowledge and skills and understanding. Recently a friend of
> mine (who has employed me in the past for some lucrative consulting
> work) was talking to me about a problem a friend of his was having at
> his job site. The symptoms reminded me right away of one of the first
> things I learned when I was doing labs on a Cisco practice lab at NC
> State University. I said, "It sounds like the old collapsing tunnel
> problem," and explained what that meant. That was the clue that helped
> get the problem resolved. So it was something I learned in a lab, but
> it had real world value. It seemed obvious to me, but is not obvious to
> everyone, including a few people with a lot more paid experience than me.
>
> The point is that a Lab Rat should not be made Lead Engineer, but will
> still add considerable value to a team. By this I mean the kind of
> value that vastly exceeds what we normally associate with a "paper
> certification."
>
> Best regards,
> Tom Larus, CCIE #10,014
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Du, Jianbo wrote:
>
>>Totally agree! Without working experience, CCIE cert is a paper only.
>>
>>
>>Regards,
>>Jerry
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>>Gobind
>>Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 4:08 AM
>>To: Faryar Zabihi (fzabihi); Seemore Tops; ccielab@groupstudy.com
>>Subject: RE: Lab rats make me mad
>>
>>I completely agree with Faryar,i.e. the Lab Rats really keep the value
>>of CCIE.
>>
>>Gobind
>>
>>
>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: fzabihi@cisco.com
>>>Sent: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 14:03:07 -0500
>>>To: topass_ccie12@hotmail.com, ccielab@groupstudy.com
>>>Subject: RE: Lab rats make me mad
>>>
>>>Lol...how about something better since these lab rats actually know
>>>
>>>
>>the
>>
>>
>>>stuff.
>>>How about the thousands of people who have a ccie but can't even
>>>
>>>
>>properly
>>
>>
>>>reverse telnet into a router or even spell dhcp. I say on ur 3rd
>>>recert...u
>>>take the lab again or something harder than the freakin written. I
>>>personnaly
>>>think the lab rats keep the value of the ccie and don't allow it to be
>>>
>>>
>>a
>>
>>
>>>political cert.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>From: Seemore Tops [mailto:topass_ccie12@hotmail.com]
>>>Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 01:50 PM Eastern Standard Time
>>>To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
>>>Subject: Lab rats make me mad
>>>
>>>I think Cisco needs to create a policy similar to the CISSP for work
>>>experience for CCIE certification. I think this would stop the lab
>>>
>>>
>>rats
>>
>>
>>>from getting into the system.
>>>
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