From: Faryar Zabihi \(fzabihi\) (fzabihi@cisco.com)
Date: Thu Aug 24 2006 - 17:07:25 ART
Ccie voice is the hottest cert right now imho
-----Original Message-----
From: Joshua Lauer [mailto:jslauer@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 04:00 PM Eastern Standard Time
To: Wes Stevens; Darby Weaver; Scott Morris; chris; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: CCNA carrer
The first I learned about TCP/IP, really learned,
was picking up the MCSE TCP/IP book and then taking
the test. This is back in the NT days. Although my
MCSE was expired long ago, it did give me solid
basis for learning everything I know now. It also
gives you some "street cred" with the server guys
when doing some joint troubleshooting. I may not be
an active directory wiz, but I know enough about
what's going on to hold an intelligent conversation
and to sift through the B/S :)
I never thought the MCSE was the "end all, be all"
certification, if that were the case I would have
stopped there a long time ago. IT in general is a
learning process, I set my sights on the CCIE years
and years ago but I never planned on stopping here.
I'm going to do them all, then probably move onto
other things in the field.
jl
Joshua Lauer
CCIE#16024
CCNP, CCSP, CCDP, CCIP, INFOSEC
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wes Stevens" <wrsteve33-gsccie@yahoo.com>
To: "Darby Weaver" <darbyweaver@yahoo.com>; "Scott
Morris" <swm@emanon.com>; "Joshua Lauer"
<jslauer@hotmail.com>; "chris"
<iannaconec@optonline.net>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 3:44 PM
Subject: Re: CCNA carrer
> While I would never go back to working on servers,
> the experience does make me a better network
> engineer. Knowing the MS protocols really helps at
> times to be able to nail down a problem when you
> have 25 people on a conference call and a critical
> eBusiness service down. It especially helps when
> the servers folks cannot find the problem and then
> blame the network - which happens more often then
> it should.
>
> Wes Stevens
> MCSE (from back in the nt4 days) ccie 11480 and
> the other certs...
>
> PS how many have loaded up a OS2 box with version
> 1.2 diskettes. I would say it was a challenge but
> it was closer to pure pain.....
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Darby Weaver <darbyweaver@yahoo.com>
> To: Scott Morris <swm@emanon.com>; Joshua Lauer
> <jslauer@hotmail.com>; chris
> <iannaconec@optonline.net>; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 12:48:07 PM
> Subject: RE: CCNA carrer
>
>
> Hmmm...
>
> I see many Network Engineers / Administrator's
> with
> comparatively little understanding of the other
> OS's
> on the network outside of the IOS.
>
> This is somehow very wrong.
>
> I make a living going to networks, analyzing the
> flows, and cleaning up what other "Engineers" have
> done before.
>
> I love my MCSE, it gave the momentum to learn
> these
> critical skills.
>
> In fact, even today when my job is mostly dealing
> with
> Cisco Gear, I love the fact that my other skills
> with
> Network Analysis and my MCSE have given me in the
> terms of understanding exactly how to deal with
> almost
> any given issue, most of the time.
>
> So for those who did not or could not make much
> out of
> their "lower" certs, my heart bleeds for you.
>
> For those that do and are making something out of
> them, I commend you.
>
> Either way, you know who you are, even if your
> boss or
> your peers does not... :)
>
> Anyone who has attained their own MCSE fairly and
> through rigorous study and discipline should have
> little problem excelling in the field and are
> probably
> excellent candidates for Cisco and Juniper certs.
>
> Look at most of the people here, aside from those
> who
> are strictly came from the Telecom world, mostly
> all
> have MCSE or CNE, etc behind their name.
>
> Think about it.
>
> A strong CCNA is better than a weak CCNP. Think
> about
> that one as well.
>
>
>
> --- Scott Morris <swm@emanon.com> wrote:
>
>> I'd agree with Joshua. While perhaps not as
>> marketable, I do get to laugh a
>> number of times at CCIE folks who look to
>> grandiose
>> solutions for very
>> simple problems because they don't understand
>> stuff
>> like Layer 1 problems,
>> or MS/Novell/whatever operating system
>> client/server
>> issues.
>>
>> Being well rounded is never a bad idea. Don't
>> sell
>> any of the other certs
>> short. CCNA/NP is a different path, but
>> certainly
>> not wasted time in terms
>> of making yourself a better engineer.
>>
>>
>> Scott Morris, CCIE4
>> (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service
>> Provider) #4713, JNCIE
>> #153, CISSP, et al.
>> CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-J
>> IPExpert VP - Curriculum Development
>> IPExpert Sr. Technical Instructor
>> smorris@ipexpert.com
>> http://www.ipexpert.com
>>
>> (plus MCSE, plus (expired) CNE, plus CTP, plus
>> CCNA,
>> plus CCNP, plus CCDP,
>> plus a bunch of other stuff)
>>
>> :)
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com
>> [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>> Joshua Lauer
>> Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 12:56 PM
>> To: chris; ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> Subject: Re: CCNA carrer
>>
>> Back when the CCIE was the only certification you
>> could get maybe this makes
>> sense. However starting from the ground up makes
>> more sense, why not get a
>> good base and build your way up the pyramid?
>>
>> You'll have gaps in your knowledge if you dont
>> get a
>> good base. In my view,
>> being a CCIE is more than knowing about protocols
>> and being able to find
>> things on the DOC CD.
>>
>> I wouldnt say that MCSE or COMPTIA certs are
>> jokes,
>> maybe to some people.
>> But others have to start somewhere, might as well
>> be
>> there. Many people
>> (including myself) started at MCSE and graduated
>> along the path.
>>
>> jl
>>
>>
>> Joshua Lauer
>>
>> CCIE#16024
>>
>> CCNP, CCSP, CCDP, CCIP, INFOSEC
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "chris" <iannaconec@optonline.net>
>> To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 9:59 AM
>> Subject: CCNA carrer
>>
>>
>> > Why go for CCNA or CCNP jump in with both feet
>> > and
>>
>> > go for the CCIE - learn all you can about the
>> > protocols and become expert at finding things
>> > on
>> > the documentation cd - You should be able to
>> > find
>> > any given topic within ten minutes. comptia and
>> > MCSE is a joke as far as employability , IMO
>> >
>>
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