From: "CCIE
Date: Tue Jul 18 2006 - 18:19:05 ART
What about a 3640 ?
I have many of them running 12.4.8 enterprise + & would like to get ready
for SP lab
I guess the real question is can a 3640 be a PE router ?
Richard
CCIE | NNCSE
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From: "Tony Schaffran" <tschaffran@cconlinelabs.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 2:56 PM
Subject: RE: Introduction of the 7200 for the SP lab???
> Good to know.
>
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> Tony Schaffran
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> From: Yinglam Cheung [mailto:ccie6961@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 12:24 PM
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> Subject: RE: Introduction of the 7200 for the SP lab???
>
>
> I won't rely on Feature Navigator. L2VPN is in 12.2S in 7200vxr. Last time
> I
> worked with 12.2(25)S though the successor of 12.2S now is 12.2SB.
>
>
> Tony Schaffran <tschaffran@cconlinelabs.com> wrote:
>
> By the way, L2VPN does not appear to be supported on the 7200 either
> according to the feature navigator. Apparently, that feature is specific
> to
> the 7500 router.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chirag Arora [mailto:carora1977@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 12:04 PM
> To: Tony Schaffran
> Cc: ccie6961@yahoo.com; Carlos Manjarres; Scott Morris; Joshua Lauer; CCIE
> LAB
> Subject: Re: Introduction of the 7200 for the SP lab???
>
>
> As many people said, 7200 is usually the lowest PE/P box that SPs deploy
> for
> MPLS networks. Also features like L2VPN, TE , AToM INterworking aren't
> suppported on 2800/3800 though they support L3VPN with very few VRfs.
> L2TPv3
> is supported on almost all the platforms including the ISRs 2800.
>
> chirag
>
>
> On 7/19/06, Tony Schaffran <tschaffran@cconlinelabs.com> wrote:
>
> Interesting.
>
> Thank you.
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>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Yinglam Cheung [mailto:ccie6961@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 11:33 AM
> To: Tony Schaffran; 'Carlos Manjarres'; 'Scott Morris'; 'Joshua Lauer';
> 'CCIE LAB'
> Subject: RE: Introduction of the 7200 for the SP lab???
>
>
> I think you may be comparing wrong IOS branches. For SP features on
> 7200VXR,
> you should look at 12.0S or 12.2SB feature sets instead of 12.4T or 12.4.
>
> There are some major differences in features. These are some I can think
> of:
>
> 1. L2VPN or AToM using LDP targetted session. low end routers like ISR
> only
> supports l2tpv3 for L2VPN. This also includes L2VPN interworking and local
> switching.
> 2. TE FRR. Fast ReRoute is only supported in 12.0S and 12.2SX (7600/6500
> platforms).
> 3. BGP optimizations: it was done first on 12.0S, not sure if it'll be
> integrated into other branches. There are lots of optimizations, and you
> can
>
> look at 12.0S features in CCO.
>
> There are many minor features in protocols. Best way is to look at new
> features in CCO.
>
> Other things I can think of are hardware. Since POS interfaces are common
> in
> SP environment, and the entry-level router for POS is 7200VXR. :) hope
> they'll put in a NPE-G1 or NPE-G2 instead of slower NPE.
>
> I think Cisco is making right move to make the lab more like real world. I
> did mention something like that in my CCIE program survey. :)
>
>
> Tony Schaffran < tschaffran@cconlinelabs.com> wrote:
>
> Yes, there are some minor differences, but nothing significant.
>
> Like Scott described, I think it is more the fact that most people cannot
> separate the lab environment from the real world and were probably
> complaining too much.
>
>
>
> Tony Schaffran
> Network Analyst
> CCIE #11071
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Carlos Manjarres [mailto:c_manjarres@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 10:10 AM
> To: Scott Morris; tschaffran@cconlinelabs.com; 'Joshua Lauer'; 'CCIE LAB'
> Subject: RE: Introduction of the 7200 for the SP lab???
>
>
> I think that they are introducing the Cisco 7200
> because is a real SP plattform :). Some of the
> features that they can ask with the Cisco 7200 are:
>
> - Cisco7200 as Label Switch Controller
> - Local switching
> - AToM - Like to like and Interworking. I don't know
> whether AToM is suported on the Cisco 2800.
> - MPLS TE - Inter Area AS Support
> - MPLS TE - Forwarding adjacency
>
> I am still looking what else is different.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Carlos Manjarres
> Systems Engineer
> CCIE #7021
>
> --- Scott Morris wrote:
>
>> I think part of what it is is that people whine and
>> complain. No "serious"
>> SP will be using 2600's and 2800's or 3600/3700/3800
>> in the core of their
>> network. Some people simply cannot separate a
>> testing environment from the
>> real thing despite the fact that technologies (as
>> tested) work the same
>> either place.
>>
>> The use of the 7200 would make it more "real".
>> Other than that, I'm at a
>> loss. There are some extra features, at least with
>> the likes of the NP-1GE
>> or NP-2G processors... But otherwise, unless
>> they're going to bring in some
>> OSR7600's ESR10K's or GSR12K's I don't think there
>> will be any sort of major
>> difference in the lab other than topology and sheer
>> number of interfaces.
>>
>> *shrug* Just my viewpoint. Unless they have
>> something incredibly heinous
>> in mind that I just haven't thought of yet! ;)
>>
>>
>> Scott Morris, CCIE4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service
>> Provider) #4713, JNCIE
>> #153, CISSP, et al.
>> CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-J
>> smorris@ipexpert.com
>> http://www.ipexpert.com <http://www.ipexpert.com/>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Tony Schaffran
>> [mailto:tschaffran@cconlinelabs.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 11:07 AM
>> To: swm@emanon.com <mailto:swm@emanon.com> ; 'Joshua Lauer'; 'CCIE LAB'
>> Subject: RE: Introduction of the 7200 for the SP
>> lab???
>>
>> That is probably more likely the reason I guess, but
>> SONET interfaces have
>> been around for a while like the 7200. Why now
>> highlight the 7200?
>>
>> Tony Schaffran
>> Network Analyst
>> CCIE #11071
>> CCNP, CCNA, CCDA,
>> NNCDS, NNCSS, CNE, MCSE
>>
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Scott Morris [mailto:swm@emanon.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 7:57 AM
>> To: 'Joshua Lauer'; 'Tony Schaffran'; 'CCIE LAB'
>> Subject: RE: Introduction of the 7200 for the SP
>> lab???
>>
>>
>> And perhaps the introduction of other exciting
>> interface types like SONET?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com
>> [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>> Joshua Lauer
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 10:49 AM
>> To: Tony Schaffran; 'CCIE LAB'
>> Subject: Re: Introduction of the 7200 for the SP
>> lab???
>>
>> L2TPV3 ?
>>
>> Afaik the 2800 doesnt support it
>>
>> jl
>>
>>
>> Joshua Lauer
>>
>> CCIE#16024
>> CCNP, CCDP, CCSP, CCIP, RHCE, INFOSEC
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Tony Schaffran"
>> To: "'CCIE LAB'"
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 9:48 AM
>> Subject: Introduction of the 7200 for the SP lab???
>>
>>
>> > Can somebody explain to me why cisco is singling
>> > out this router for their
>> > SP lab? What can this particular router do that a
>>
>> > 2800 cannot do in a lab
>> > environment? I know the performance differences,
>> > but is there a fundamental
>> > difference in the IOS?
>> >
>> >
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