From: Brad Ellis (brad@ccbootcamp.com)
Date: Wed Jul 19 2006 - 02:18:23 ART
I spoke with Vincent (lead for the CCIE SP track) at our booth during
networkers for quite some time. He told me about the 7200s and the eventual
GSRs (I think I posted this a couple weeks ago)...and he did so with an evil
smurk...
thanks,
Brad Ellis
CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
CCSI#30482
brad@ccbootcamp.com
www.ccbootcamp.com (Cisco Training and Advanced Technology Rental Racks)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brant I. Stevens" <branto@branto.com>
To: "Chirag Arora" <carora1977@gmail.com>; "Tony Schaffran"
<tschaffran@cconlinelabs.com>
Cc: <ccie6961@yahoo.com>; "Carlos Manjarres" <c_manjarres@yahoo.com>; "Scott
Morris" <swm@emanon.com>; "Joshua Lauer" <jslauer@hotmail.com>;
<ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: Introduction of the 7200 for the SP lab??? [bcc][faked-from]
FYI, I attended a BoF for the CCIE at Networkers, and WRT to the SP Track,
there was mention of the eventual incorporation of the GSR.
On 7/18/06 3:04 PM, "Chirag Arora" <carora1977@gmail.com> wrote:
> As many people said, 7200 is usually the lowest PE/P box that SPs deploy
> for
> MPLS networks. Also features like L2VPN, TE , AToM INterworking aren't
> suppported on 2800/3800 though they support L3VPN with very few VRfs.
> L2TPv3
> is supported on almost all the platforms including the ISRs 2800.
>
> chirag
>
>
> On 7/19/06, Tony Schaffran <tschaffran@cconlinelabs.com> wrote:
>>
>> Interesting.
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>>
>>
>> Tony Schaffran
>>
>> Network Analyst
>>
>> CCIE #11071
>>
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>>
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Yinglam Cheung [mailto:ccie6961@yahoo.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 11:33 AM
>> To: Tony Schaffran; 'Carlos Manjarres'; 'Scott Morris'; 'Joshua Lauer';
>> 'CCIE LAB'
>> Subject: RE: Introduction of the 7200 for the SP lab???
>>
>>
>> I think you may be comparing wrong IOS branches. For SP features on
>> 7200VXR,
>> you should look at 12.0S or 12.2SB feature sets instead of 12.4T or 12.4.
>>
>> There are some major differences in features. These are some I can think
>> of:
>>
>> 1. L2VPN or AToM using LDP targetted session. low end routers like ISR
>> only
>> supports l2tpv3 for L2VPN. This also includes L2VPN interworking and
>> local
>> switching.
>> 2. TE FRR. Fast ReRoute is only supported in 12.0S and 12.2SX (7600/6500
>> platforms).
>> 3. BGP optimizations: it was done first on 12.0S, not sure if it'll be
>> integrated into other branches. There are lots of optimizations, and you
>> can
>> look at 12.0S features in CCO.
>>
>> There are many minor features in protocols. Best way is to look at new
>> features in CCO.
>>
>> Other things I can think of are hardware. Since POS interfaces are common
>> in
>> SP environment, and the entry-level router for POS is 7200VXR. :) hope
>> they'll put in a NPE-G1 or NPE-G2 instead of slower NPE.
>>
>> I think Cisco is making right move to make the lab more like real world.
>> I
>> did mention something like that in my CCIE program survey. :)
>>
>>
>> Tony Schaffran <tschaffran@cconlinelabs.com> wrote:
>>
>> Yes, there are some minor differences, but nothing significant.
>>
>> Like Scott described, I think it is more the fact that most people cannot
>> separate the lab environment from the real world and were probably
>> complaining too much.
>>
>>
>>
>> Tony Schaffran
>> Network Analyst
>> CCIE #11071
>> CCNP, CCNA, CCDA,
>> NNCDS, NNCSS, CNE, MCSE
>>
>> www.cconlinelabs.com
>> Your #1 choice for online Cisco rack rentals.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Carlos Manjarres [mailto:c_manjarres@yahoo.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 10:10 AM
>> To: Scott Morris; tschaffran@cconlinelabs.com; 'Joshua Lauer'; 'CCIE LAB'
>> Subject: RE: Introduction of the 7200 for the SP lab???
>>
>>
>> I think that they are introducing the Cisco 7200
>> because is a real SP plattform :). Some of the
>> features that they can ask with the Cisco 7200 are:
>>
>> - Cisco7200 as Label Switch Controller
>> - Local switching
>> - AToM - Like to like and Interworking. I don't know
>> whether AToM is suported on the Cisco 2800.
>> - MPLS TE - Inter Area AS Support
>> - MPLS TE - Forwarding adjacency
>>
>> I am still looking what else is different.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Carlos Manjarres
>> Systems Engineer
>> CCIE #7021
>>
>> --- Scott Morris wrote:
>>
>>> I think part of what it is is that people whine and
>>> complain. No "serious"
>>> SP will be using 2600's and 2800's or 3600/3700/3800
>>> in the core of their
>>> network. Some people simply cannot separate a
>>> testing environment from the
>>> real thing despite the fact that technologies (as
>>> tested) work the same
>>> either place.
>>>
>>> The use of the 7200 would make it more "real".
>>> Other than that, I'm at a
>>> loss. There are some extra features, at least with
>>> the likes of the NP-1GE
>>> or NP-2G processors... But otherwise, unless
>>> they're going to bring in some
>>> OSR7600's ESR10K's or GSR12K's I don't think there
>>> will be any sort of major
>>> difference in the lab other than topology and sheer
>>> number of interfaces.
>>>
>>> *shrug* Just my viewpoint. Unless they have
>>> something incredibly heinous
>>> in mind that I just haven't thought of yet! ;)
>>>
>>>
>>> Scott Morris, CCIE4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service
>>> Provider) #4713, JNCIE
>>> #153, CISSP, et al.
>>> CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-J
>>> smorris@ipexpert.com
>>> http://www.ipexpert.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Tony Schaffran
>>> [mailto:tschaffran@cconlinelabs.com]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 11:07 AM
>>> To: swm@emanon.com; 'Joshua Lauer'; 'CCIE LAB'
>>> Subject: RE: Introduction of the 7200 for the SP
>>> lab???
>>>
>>> That is probably more likely the reason I guess, but
>>> SONET interfaces have
>>> been around for a while like the 7200. Why now
>>> highlight the 7200?
>>>
>>> Tony Schaffran
>>> Network Analyst
>>> CCIE #11071
>>> CCNP, CCNA, CCDA,
>>> NNCDS, NNCSS, CNE, MCSE
>>>
>>> www.cconlinelabs.com
>>> Your #1 choice for online Cisco rack rentals.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Scott Morris [mailto:swm@emanon.com]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 7:57 AM
>>> To: 'Joshua Lauer'; 'Tony Schaffran'; 'CCIE LAB'
>>> Subject: RE: Introduction of the 7200 for the SP
>>> lab???
>>>
>>>
>>> And perhaps the introduction of other exciting
>>> interface types like SONET?
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com
>>> [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>>> Joshua Lauer
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 10:49 AM
>>> To: Tony Schaffran; 'CCIE LAB'
>>> Subject: Re: Introduction of the 7200 for the SP
>>> lab???
>>>
>>> L2TPV3 ?
>>>
>>> Afaik the 2800 doesnt support it
>>>
>>> jl
>>>
>>>
>>> Joshua Lauer
>>>
>>> CCIE#16024
>>> CCNP, CCDP, CCSP, CCIP, RHCE, INFOSEC
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Tony Schaffran"
>>> To: "'CCIE LAB'"
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 9:48 AM
>>> Subject: Introduction of the 7200 for the SP lab???
>>>
>>>
>>>> Can somebody explain to me why cisco is singling
>>>> out this router for their
>>>> SP lab? What can this particular router do that a
>>>
>>>> 2800 cannot do in a lab
>>>> environment? I know the performance differences,
>>>> but is there a fundamental
>>>> difference in the IOS?
>>>>
>>>>
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