From: Ian Stong (istong@stong.org)
Date: Tue Jul 18 2006 - 16:22:51 ART
Hi,
Other than the additional ATOM and MPLS features I would agree. I think
Scott said it best when discussing router model versus features.
Ian
www.ccie4u.com
Rack Rentals and Lab Scenarios
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of Tony
Schaffran
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 2:52 PM
To: ccie6961@yahoo.com; 'Carlos Manjarres'; 'Scott Morris'; 'Joshua Lauer';
'CCIE LAB'
Subject: RE: Introduction of the 7200 for the SP lab???
Here are the features unique to 7200 12.2S Service Provider feature set over
the 2811 12.4T Advanced IP Services feature set. This still does not seem
like much compared to all of the other features that are available. These
are just minor features. Other than trying to simulate a service provider
environment, I do not see any real value in trying to incorporate a 7200
into your studies.
<javascript:openLargePopup('/ITDIT/CFN/Dispatch?act=featdesc&task=display&fe
atureId=3366','FeatureDesc',600,500)> ACL - Named ACL Support for
Noncontiguous Ports on an Access Control Entry
<javascript:openLargePopup('/ITDIT/CFN/Dispatch?act=featdesc&task=display&fe
atureId=4028','FeatureDesc',600,500)> ACL TCP Flags Filtering
<javascript:openLargePopup('/ITDIT/CFN/Dispatch?act=featdesc&task=display&fe
atureId=3126','FeatureDesc',600,500)> Any Transport over MPLS (AToM)
Graceful Restart
<javascript:openLargePopup('/ITDIT/CFN/Dispatch?act=featdesc&task=display&fe
atureId=1118','FeatureDesc',600,500)> Any Transport over MPLS (AToM): ATM
AAL5 over MPLS (AAL5oMPLS)
<javascript:openLargePopup('/ITDIT/CFN/Dispatch?act=featdesc&task=display&fe
atureId=1289','FeatureDesc',600,500)> Any Transport over MPLS (AToM):
Ethernet over MPLS (EoMPLS)
<javascript:openLargePopup('/ITDIT/CFN/Dispatch?act=featdesc&task=display&fe
atureId=1600','FeatureDesc',600,500)> Any Transport over MPLS (AToM): Frame
Relay over MPLS (FRoMPLS)
<javascript:openLargePopup('/ITDIT/CFN/Dispatch?act=featdesc&task=display&fe
atureId=1599','FeatureDesc',600,500)> Any Transport over MPLS (AToM): HDLC
over MPLS (HDLCoMPLS)
<javascript:openLargePopup('/ITDIT/CFN/Dispatch?act=featdesc&task=display&fe
atureId=3371','FeatureDesc',600,500)> Any Transport over MPLS (AToM): Port
Mode Cell Relay Support
<javascript:openLargePopup('/ITDIT/CFN/Dispatch?act=featdesc&task=display&fe
atureId=1598','FeatureDesc',600,500)> Any Transport over MPLS (AToM): PPP
over MPLS (PPPoMPLS)
<javascript:openLargePopup('/ITDIT/CFN/Dispatch?act=featdesc&task=display&fe
atureId=1601','FeatureDesc',600,500)> Any Transport over MPLS (AToM): Single
Cell Relay - VC Mode (CRoMPLS)
<javascript:openLargePopup('/ITDIT/CFN/Dispatch?act=featdesc&task=display&fe
atureId=3523','FeatureDesc',600,500)> ATM AAL5 OAM Emulation over L2TPv3
<javascript:openLargePopup('/ITDIT/CFN/Dispatch?act=featdesc&task=display&fe
atureId=3931','FeatureDesc',600,500)> ATM Port Mode Packed Cell Relay over
AToM
<javascript:openLargePopup('/ITDIT/CFN/Dispatch?act=featdesc&task=display&fe
atureId=4246','FeatureDesc',600,500)> ATM PVC Trap Enhancements for Segment
and End AIS/RDI failures
<javascript:openLargePopup('/ITDIT/CFN/Dispatch?act=featdesc&task=display&fe
atureId=349','FeatureDesc',600,500)> ATM PVC Trap Support
<javascript:openLargePopup('/ITDIT/CFN/Dispatch?act=featdesc&task=display&fe
atureId=3740','FeatureDesc',600,500)> ATM Single Cell Relay (VC Mode) over
L2TPv3
<javascript:openLargePopup('/ITDIT/CFN/Dispatch?act=featdesc&task=display&fe
atureId=930','FeatureDesc',600,500)> Automatic Protection Switching (APS)
<javascript:openLargePopup('/ITDIT/CFN/Dispatch?act=featdesc&task=display&fe
atureId=2169','FeatureDesc',600,500)> BGP Increased Support of Numbered
as-path Access Lists to 500
<javascript:openLargePopup('/ITDIT/CFN/Dispatch?act=featdesc&task=display&fe
atureId=1130','FeatureDesc',600,500)> BGP Next Hop Propagation
<javascript:openLargePopup('/ITDIT/CFN/Dispatch?act=featdesc&task=display&fe
atureId=3211','FeatureDesc',600,500)> BGP Policy Accounting output interface
accounting
<javascript:openLargePopup('/ITDIT/CFN/Dispatch?act=featdesc&task=display&fe
atureId=188','FeatureDesc',600,500)> Bisync support for synchronous serial
port adapters
<javascript:openLargePopup('/ITDIT/CFN/Dispatch?act=featdesc&task=display&fe
atureId=638','FeatureDesc',600,500)> CEF Switching for Routed Bridge
Encapsulation
<javascript:openLargePopup('/ITDIT/CFN/Dispatch?act=featdesc&task=display&fe
atureId=380','FeatureDesc',600,500)> Cisco Multipath Channel+
<javascript:openLargePopup('/ITDIT/CFN/Dispatch?act=featdesc&task=display&fe
atureId=3193','FeatureDesc',600,500)> CNS
<javascript:openLargePopup('/ITDIT/CFN/Dispatch?act=featdesc&task=display&fe
atureId=1953','FeatureDesc',600,500)> Dynamic Bandwidth Change for ATM PVCs
<javascript:openLargePopup('/ITDIT/CFN/Dispatch?act=featdesc&task=display&fe
atureId=116','FeatureDesc',600,500)> EGP
<javascript:openLargePopup('/ITDIT/CFN/Dispatch?act=featdesc&task=display&fe
atureId=4399','FeatureDesc',600,500)> Embedded Event Manager (EEM) 2.0
<javascript:openLargePopup('/ITDIT/CFN/Dispatch?act=featdesc&task=display&fe
atureId=271','FeatureDesc',600,500)> Enhanced ATM VC Configuration and
Management
<javascript:openLargePopup('/ITDIT/CFN/Dispatch?act=featdesc&task=display&fe
atureId=4091','FeatureDesc',600,500)> Frame Relay FRF.1.2 Annex A Support.
<javascript:openLargePopup('/ITDIT/CFN/Dispatch?act=featdesc&task=display&fe
atureId=904','FeatureDesc',600,500)> IGMP Version 1
<javascript:openLargePopup('/ITDIT/CFN/Dispatch?act=featdesc&task=display&fe
atureId=905','FeatureDesc',600,500)> IGMP Version 2
<javascript:openLargePopup('/ITDIT/CFN/Dispatch?act=featdesc&task=display&fe
atureId=15','FeatureDesc',600,500)> Internet Protocol Control Protocol
(IPCP) address negotiation
<javascript:openLargePopup('/ITDIT/CFN/Dispatch?act=featdesc&task=display&fe
atureId=393','FeatureDesc',600,500)> IP-to-ATM CoS
<javascript:openLargePopup('/ITDIT/CFN/Dispatch?act=featdesc&task=display&fe
atureId=1309','FeatureDesc',600,500)> IS-IS HMAC-MD5 Authentication
<javascript:openLargePopup('/ITDIT/CFN/Dispatch?act=featdesc&task=display&fe
atureId=2478','FeatureDesc',600,500)> Layer 2 Local Switching - ATM to
Ethernet
<javascript:openLargePopup('/ITDIT/CFN/Dispatch?act=featdesc&task=display&fe
atureId=1810','FeatureDesc',600,500)> Manual Certificate Enrollment via TFTP
<javascript:openLargePopup('/ITDIT/CFN/Dispatch?act=featdesc&task=display&fe
atureId=2160','FeatureDesc',600,500)> Memory Threshold Notifications
<javascript:openLargePopup('/ITDIT/CFN/Dispatch?act=featdesc&task=display&fe
atureId=1136','FeatureDesc',600,500)> MPLS Traffic Engineering (TE) -
Configurable Path Calculation Metric for Tunnels
<javascript:openLargePopup('/ITDIT/CFN/Dispatch?act=featdesc&task=display&fe
atureId=1141','FeatureDesc',600,500)> MPLS Traffic Engineering (TE) -
Interarea Tunnels
<javascript:openLargePopup('/ITDIT/CFN/Dispatch?act=featdesc&task=display&fe
atureId=1103','FeatureDesc',600,500)> MPLS Traffic Engineering (TE) - IP
Explicit Address Exclusion
<javascript:openLargePopup('/ITDIT/CFN/Dispatch?act=featdesc&task=display&fe
atureId=1129','FeatureDesc',600,500)> MPLS Traffic Engineering (TE) -
Scalability Enhancements
<javascript:openLargePopup('/ITDIT/CFN/Dispatch?act=featdesc&task=display&fe
atureId=2170','FeatureDesc',600,500)> MPLS Traffic Engineering Forwarding
Adjacency
<javascript:openLargePopup('/ITDIT/CFN/Dispatch?act=featdesc&task=display&fe
atureId=1430','FeatureDesc',600,500)> MPLS VPN support for EIGRP between
Provider Edge (PE) and Customer Edge (CE)
<javascript:openLargePopup('/ITDIT/CFN/Dispatch?act=featdesc&task=display&fe
atureId=2284','FeatureDesc',600,500)> NetFlow Export of BGP Nexthop
Information
<javascript:openLargePopup('/ITDIT/CFN/Dispatch?act=featdesc&task=display&fe
atureId=4024','FeatureDesc',600,500)> Netflow Input Filters and
Multi-Sampling rates
<javascript:openLargePopup('/ITDIT/CFN/Dispatch?act=featdesc&task=display&fe
atureId=641','FeatureDesc',600,500)> Network Services Engine (NSE)
<javascript:openLargePopup('/ITDIT/CFN/Dispatch?act=featdesc&task=display&fe
atureId=1938','FeatureDesc',600,500)> OSPF Support for Forwarding
Adjacencies over MPLS Traffic Engineered Tunnels
<javascript:openLargePopup('/ITDIT/CFN/Dispatch?act=featdesc&task=display&fe
atureId=1421','FeatureDesc',600,500)> Per-VC queuing for ATM
<javascript:openLargePopup('/ITDIT/CFN/Dispatch?act=featdesc&task=display&fe
atureId=3937','FeatureDesc',600,500)> Router Security Audit Manageability
<javascript:openLargePopup('/ITDIT/CFN/Dispatch?act=featdesc&task=display&fe
atureId=432','FeatureDesc',600,500)> SGCP
<javascript:openLargePopup('/ITDIT/CFN/Dispatch?act=featdesc&task=display&fe
atureId=169','FeatureDesc',600,500)> SRB - Source Route Bridging
Enhancements
<javascript:openLargePopup('/ITDIT/CFN/Dispatch?act=featdesc&task=display&fe
atureId=3556','FeatureDesc',600,500)> Suppress BGP Advertisement for
Inactive Routes
<javascript:openLargePopup('/ITDIT/CFN/Dispatch?act=featdesc&task=display&fe
atureId=252','FeatureDesc',600,500)> TN3270 LU Nailing
<javascript:openLargePopup('/ITDIT/CFN/Dispatch?act=featdesc&task=display&fe
atureId=121','FeatureDesc',600,500)> TN3270 Server
<javascript:openLargePopup('/ITDIT/CFN/Dispatch?act=featdesc&task=display&fe
atureId=131','FeatureDesc',600,500)> TN3270 Server (CIP only)
<javascript:openLargePopup('/ITDIT/CFN/Dispatch?act=featdesc&task=display&fe
atureId=640','FeatureDesc',600,500)> TN3270 Server Connectivity Enhancements
<javascript:openLargePopup('/ITDIT/CFN/Dispatch?act=featdesc&task=display&fe
atureId=636','FeatureDesc',600,500)> Turbo Access Control Lists
<javascript:openLargePopup('/ITDIT/CFN/Dispatch?act=featdesc&task=display&fe
atureId=2162','FeatureDesc',600,500)> Warm Reload
Tony Schaffran
Network Analyst
CCIE #11071
CCNP, CCNA, CCDA,
NNCDS, NNCSS, CNE, MCSE
www.cconlinelabs.com <http://www.cconlinelabs.com/>
Your #1 choice for online Cisco rack rentals.
-----Original Message-----
From: Yinglam Cheung [mailto:ccie6961@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 11:33 AM
To: Tony Schaffran; 'Carlos Manjarres'; 'Scott Morris'; 'Joshua Lauer';
'CCIE LAB'
Subject: RE: Introduction of the 7200 for the SP lab???
I think you may be comparing wrong IOS branches. For SP features on 7200VXR,
you should look at 12.0S or 12.2SB feature sets instead of 12.4T or 12.4.
There are some major differences in features. These are some I can think of:
1. L2VPN or AToM using LDP targetted session. low end routers like ISR only
supports l2tpv3 for L2VPN. This also includes L2VPN interworking and local
switching.
2. TE FRR. Fast ReRoute is only supported in 12.0S and 12.2SX (7600/6500
platforms).
3. BGP optimizations: it was done first on 12.0S, not sure if it'll be
integrated into other branches. There are lots of optimizations, and you can
look at 12.0S features in CCO.
There are many minor features in protocols. Best way is to look at new
features in CCO.
Other things I can think of are hardware. Since POS interfaces are common in
SP environment, and the entry-level router for POS is 7200VXR. :) hope
they'll put in a NPE-G1 or NPE-G2 instead of slower NPE.
I think Cisco is making right move to make the lab more like real world. I
did mention something like that in my CCIE program survey. :)
Tony Schaffran <tschaffran@cconlinelabs.com> wrote:
Yes, there are some minor differences, but nothing significant.
Like Scott described, I think it is more the fact that most people cannot
separate the lab environment from the real world and were probably
complaining too much.
Tony Schaffran
Network Analyst
CCIE #11071
CCNP, CCNA, CCDA,
NNCDS, NNCSS, CNE, MCSE
www.cconlinelabs.com
Your #1 choice for online Cisco rack rentals.
-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos Manjarres [mailto:c_manjarres@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 10:10 AM
To: Scott Morris; tschaffran@cconlinelabs.com; 'Joshua Lauer'; 'CCIE LAB'
Subject: RE: Introduction of the 7200 for the SP lab???
I think that they are introducing the Cisco 7200
because is a real SP plattform :). Some of the
features that they can ask with the Cisco 7200 are:
- Cisco7200 as Label Switch Controller
- Local switching
- AToM - Like to like and Interworking. I don't know
whether AToM is suported on the Cisco 2800.
- MPLS TE - Inter Area AS Support
- MPLS TE - Forwarding adjacency
I am still looking what else is different.
Best regards,
Carlos Manjarres
Systems Engineer
CCIE #7021
--- Scott Morris wrote:
> I think part of what it is is that people whine and
> complain. No "serious"
> SP will be using 2600's and 2800's or 3600/3700/3800
> in the core of their
> network. Some people simply cannot separate a
> testing environment from the
> real thing despite the fact that technologies (as
> tested) work the same
> either place.
>
> The use of the 7200 would make it more "real".
> Other than that, I'm at a
> loss. There are some extra features, at least with
> the likes of the NP-1GE
> or NP-2G processors... But otherwise, unless
> they're going to bring in some
> OSR7600's ESR10K's or GSR12K's I don't think there
> will be any sort of major
> difference in the lab other than topology and sheer
> number of interfaces.
>
> *shrug* Just my viewpoint. Unless they have
> something incredibly heinous
> in mind that I just haven't thought of yet! ;)
>
>
> Scott Morris, CCIE4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service
> Provider) #4713, JNCIE
> #153, CISSP, et al.
> CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-J
> smorris@ipexpert.com
> http://www.ipexpert.com
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tony Schaffran
> [mailto:tschaffran@cconlinelabs.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 11:07 AM
> To: swm@emanon.com; 'Joshua Lauer'; 'CCIE LAB'
> Subject: RE: Introduction of the 7200 for the SP
> lab???
>
> That is probably more likely the reason I guess, but
> SONET interfaces have
> been around for a while like the 7200. Why now
> highlight the 7200?
>
> Tony Schaffran
> Network Analyst
> CCIE #11071
> CCNP, CCNA, CCDA,
> NNCDS, NNCSS, CNE, MCSE
>
> www.cconlinelabs.com
> Your #1 choice for online Cisco rack rentals.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Morris [mailto:swm@emanon.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 7:57 AM
> To: 'Joshua Lauer'; 'Tony Schaffran'; 'CCIE LAB'
> Subject: RE: Introduction of the 7200 for the SP
> lab???
>
>
> And perhaps the introduction of other exciting
> interface types like SONET?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com
> [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Joshua Lauer
> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 10:49 AM
> To: Tony Schaffran; 'CCIE LAB'
> Subject: Re: Introduction of the 7200 for the SP
> lab???
>
> L2TPV3 ?
>
> Afaik the 2800 doesnt support it
>
> jl
>
>
> Joshua Lauer
>
> CCIE#16024
> CCNP, CCDP, CCSP, CCIP, RHCE, INFOSEC
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tony Schaffran"
> To: "'CCIE LAB'"
> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 9:48 AM
> Subject: Introduction of the 7200 for the SP lab???
>
>
> > Can somebody explain to me why cisco is singling
> > out this router for their
> > SP lab? What can this particular router do that a
>
> > 2800 cannot do in a lab
> > environment? I know the performance differences,
> > but is there a fundamental
> > difference in the IOS?
> >
> >
>
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