From: Victor Cappuccio (cvictor@protokolgroup.com)
Date: Sun Jul 16 2006 - 15:16:39 ART
Hi Cris,
How does the BE exactly is calculated?
Ok the formulas I have seen so far is that CIR = Bc/Tc, and that Be =
(AR-CIR) * Tc/1000
BE in average shaping is sent at the first time interval + the BC, but I
have seen discussions that this could affect critical traffic, and is
evident because the traffic is stored at the BE Bucket, waiting fot the time
to Burst (the first Time interval in this situation)
Is there any good recommendation for setting the BE Value?
Any personal note about this?
Thanks
Victor.-
(Target Rate, Be, BC = yes this are in Bits)
-----Mensaje original-----
De: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] En nombre de Chris
Lewis
Enviado el: Domingo, 16 de Julio de 2006 02:00 p.m.
Para: Kay D
CC: Montgomery, Jerry; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Asunto: Re: Shaping Average / Peak vs. Policing
If you define a Be value, shape average will allow traffic in addition to Bc
if credit has built up. Bc (if used fully) allows the shaper to transmit at
CIR, so in the case described above, shape average does allow excess traffic
as long as Be has a non zero value.
Chris
On 7/16/06, Kay D <krsna83@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi ,
> Still confused with whether "shape average " would allow excess
> traffic if credits are available or does it send only in the first
interval
> . Please confirm and i can have a good sleep :)
>
> TIA
> Kay D
>
> On 7/12/06, Montgomery, Jerry <jerry.montgomery@eds.com> wrote:
> >
> > Chris,
> >
> > Thanks for the link. The light bulb just came on!!!!
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> >
> > Respectfully,
> > Jerry Montgomery, CCDP, CCNP, CCDA, & CCNA
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Chris Lewis [mailto: chrlewiscsco@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 2:13 PM
> > To: Montgomery, Jerry
> > Cc: Joe Gagznos; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: Re: Shaping Average / Peak vs. Policing
> >
> >
> > Please read over the following:
> >
> > http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/125/traffic_shaping_6151.html
> >
> > Shape peak does send Bc plus Be at every interval, contrary to my
> > initial post.
> > If things rae still unclear to you after reading this link, post again.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Chris
> >
> >
> > On 7/11/06, Montgomery, Jerry < jerry.montgomery@eds.com> wrote:
> > Good morning, Chris,
> >
> > What is the main difference between shape average and shape peak?
> >
> > I am trying to answer the following scenario:
> >
> > Limit all traffic leaving FA0/0 with IP Precedence of 128K. Do not use
> > policing or rate-limiting.
> >
> > Sometimes I convince myself that "shape average 128000 16000 0" is the
> > answer (assuming Tc=125ms). And then sometimes I convince myself that
> > "shape peak 128000" is the answer (default to Bc and Be).
> >
> > Any inside as to what the difference between "shape average" and "shape
> > peak" are?
> >
> > Also, can you send me a link regarding Be being sent in addition to Bc
> > on the first interval of a second only? I did not find that information
> > explicitly stated.
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
> >
> > Respectfully,
> >
> > Jerry Montgomery
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > Chris Lewis
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 9:27 AM
> > To: Joe Gagznos
> > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: Re: Shaping Average / Peak vs. Policing
> >
> >
> > Shape average does not allow Bc + Be to be sent every interval.
> >
> > Shape average allows Be to be sent in addition to Bc on the first
> > interval of a second only, also the shaper needs to have built up credit
> > in previous intervals to use Be. The effect of Be in shape average is to
> > allow the shaper to achieve CIR over a long period of time,
> > accommodating periods of lull where less than CIR is sent in one second,
> >
> >
> > with an additional Be amount of data in a later period should the credit
> > be available and the shaper needing to send more data.
> >
> > Chris
> >
> >
> > On 7/4/06, Joe Gagznos < joegagznos@comcast.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > I am trying to find another way to limit outbound traffic through an
> > > interface similar in manner to policing. I understand that
> > > functionally the two are different. With shaping you are going to be
> > > queuing excess traffic
> > > to a predetermined rate where with policing you are going to be
> > executing
> > > some kind of action on traffic that exceeds the contract (usually
> > > dropping).
> > >
> > > For comparison purposes, I have configured shaping and policing on two
> >
> > > separate subinterfaces in the following manner:
> > >
> > > interface Ethernet0/0.1
> > > encapsulation dot1Q 10
> > > ip address 10.1.1.1 255.255.255.0
> > > service-policy output shape
> > >
> > > interface Ethernet0/0.2
> > > encapsulation dot1Q 20
> > > ip address 10.1.2.1 255.255.255.0
> > > service-policy output police
> > >
> > > Both interfaces are configured to limit traffic to no more than 2.5
> > > Mbps as
> > > follows:
> > >
> > > policy-map police
> > > class class-default
> > > police 2500000 conform-action transmit exceed-action drop
> > >
> > > policy-map shape
> > > class class-default
> > > shape average 2500000
> > >
> > > What I find is that the shaping interface initializes the parameters
> > > as
> > > follows:
> > >
> > > R1#sh policy-map interface e0/0.1
> > > Ethernet0/0.1
> > >
> > > Service-policy output: shape
> > >
> > > Class-map: class-default (match-any)
> > > 19 packets, 1729 bytes
> > > 5 minute offered rate 0 bps, drop rate 0 bps
> > > Match: any
> > > Traffic Shaping
> > > Target/Average Byte Sustain
> > > Excess Interval Increment
> > > Rate Limit bits/int bits/int
> > (ms)
> > > (bytes)
> > > 2500000/2500000 15000 60000 60000 24 7500
> > >
> > > Adapt Queue Packets Bytes Packets Bytes
> > Shaping
> > > Active Depth Delayed Delayed Active
> > > - 0 19 1729 0 0 no
> > >
> > > A couple things to note here - Be is initialized to the same value as
> > > Bc of 60000 (or 7500 bytes). The byte limit is 15000 bytes, though.
> > > This must mean that the byte limit is initialized to Bc+Be=15000.
> > > With a 24 ms interval, does this mean that the interface will send 5
> > > Mbps (15000 * 8 bits
> > > / byte * 1 sec/.024 = 5000000) instead of the contracted 2.5 Mbps?
> > If
> > > shape average is allowing the interface to transmit Bc+Be each
> > interval,
> > > then how does this differ from configuring shape peak which
> > accomplishes
> > > the
> > > same thing?
> > >
> > > With policing it appears that things are much more straightforward.
> > >
> > > R1#sh policy-map int e0/0.2
> > > Ethernet0/0.2
> > >
> > > Service-policy output: police
> > >
> > > Class-map: class-default (match-any)
> > > 107 packets, 7473 bytes
> > > 5 minute offered rate 0 bps, drop rate 0 bps
> > > Match: any
> > > police:
> > > cir 2500000 bps, bc 78125 bytes
> > > conformed 63 packets, 4305 bytes; actions:
> > > transmit
> > > exceeded 0 packets, 0 bytes; actions:
> > > drop
> > > conformed 0 bps, exceed 0 bps
> > >
> > > Thanks for any response!
> > >
> > > Joe Gagznos
> > >
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