From: Mark Lasarko (mlasarko@co.ba.md.us)
Date: Thu Jun 15 2006 - 15:51:20 ART
Wireless? (available in your favorite reading area)
Anyway - I'm with you 'Broadway!
Between the terminal windows, emails, etc...
It is nice to have a (paper) magazine to read.
An electronic copy is just another web page to me.
(regardless of the designated reading area)
As far as the economics of business I realized
quite some time ago that it was much more productive
(and profitable) to supply the coffee, paper towels, and
such to keep my team happy and "in the area"
as opposed to going offsite for the same.
Is the glass half empty or half full here?
~M
>>> "Chris Broadway" <midatlanticnet@gmail.com> 06/15/06 2:27 PM >>>
But I cannot take the electronic version to my favorite reading area.
-Broadway
On 6/15/06, Joe Rinehart <jjrinehart@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Well we are pretty much all engineers here but this kind of thing is
> related
> directly to business decisions. Trying to recoup costs where possible is
> just part of the survival game in business these days. Margins get
> slimmer
> so it has to be made up elsewhere. Of course there are insane ways to do
> that as well, in a previous job no coffee water paper towels or anything
> else was supplied. Even worse, we were told our per diem when training
> was
> $30 when it was actually $35. Office supplied were locked up and the
> finance Nazis policed everything to an extreme level...
>
> Not defending or attacking the decision, just trying to point out the why.
> I could see a decent case for making the electronic version free since no
> printing or postage costs are involved....
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Mark
> Lasarko
> Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 11:03 AM
> To: magmax@bigpond.net.au; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: Cisco Charging for Packet now?
>
> "Cisco does not offer much free stuff anymore"
>
> I disagree.
> Networkers' is a perfect example.
> And I don't mean the vendor crap thrown into the crowds or wireless
> access.
> (though some of the t-shirts, gizmos, and gadgets are quite nice at times)
>
> I am referring specifically to the year of access after_the_event.
> It is more information than most humans can absorb there (and have a life
> at
> the same time)
> And it is free.
>
> If you want free stuff just start calling vendors and asking for it!
> Maybe you'll get lucky and they'll send you a nice switch or something! :)
>
> (Translation: I KNOW there are a few vendors who will "give away" devices
> and
> lose money, just to compete - to know that Cisco did not get the sale)
>
> That said, I did not mean to infer that it was wrong for Cisco to decide
> to
> charge for Packet, but on the other hand you have different fingers and a
> debate could be made that at a certain level Cisco-certified individuals,
> or
> perhaps even those organizations that pay the big bucks for services such
> as
> Smartnet, receive some printed copies @ N/C for their staff.
>
> My $.02
> ~M
>
>
>
> >>> "Magmax" <magmax@bigpond.net.au> 06/15/06 8:03 AM >>>
>
> That not fair we spend thousands on training and then we push Cisco
> Products
> to our customers. I think we should look at Nortel or some other vendors.
> Cisco does not offer much free stuff anymore
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Mark
> Lasarko
> Sent: Thursday, 15 June 2006 9:46 PM
> To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: Cisco Charging for Packet now?
>
> Hey y'all, It is a little more than two or three $'s (USD) per issue...
>
> PRINT Edition Pricing:
>
> ONE-YEAR SUBSCRIPTION (4 issues) for just $29.95
> ($36.50 International, US Dollars) - 15% off cover price.
>
> TWO-YEAR SUBSCRIPTION (8 issues) for just $53.70
> ($65.70 International, US Dollars) - 25% off cover price
>
> THREE-YEAR SUBSCRIPTION (12 issues) for just $75.18
> ($91.98 International, US Dollars) - 30% off cover price.
> *Single issue cover price: $8.95 U.S./$10.95
> Internationalhttps://www.cambeywest.com/pkt/pktpaids.asp
>
> 1yr ~ $7.49/issue USD ($9.13 International)
> 2yr ~ $6.71/issue USD ($8.21 International)
> 3yr ~ $6.27/issue USD ($7.67 International)
>
> WTF?
>
> Hopefully they will still offer a free one @ Networkers' next week?
> (Probably the same last free copy we just got in the mail recently)
>
> That's a shame - lot's of good info over the years :(
>
> Complaint Department:
> packet-editor@cisco.com
> ~M
>
>
> >>> "Victor Cappuccio" <cvictor@protokolgroup.com> 06/14/06 7:18 PM >>>
>
> Maybe...
> Especially for people outside the US, and with Dolar Currency restrictions
>
>
> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] En nombre de
> Plank,
> Jason
> Enviado el: Miircoles, 14 de Junio de 2006 06:56 p.m.
> Para: Joe Rinehart; 'Scott Thornton'; 'Cisco certification'
> Asunto: RE: Cisco Charging for Packet now?
>
> Isn't it like 2 or 3 dollars an issue now too?
>
> -------------------
> J. Marshall Plank
> Network Engineer
> 101 Bellevue Parkway
> Wilmington, DE 19809
> E-mail: JPlank@concordefs.com
> Phone: 302-793-5913
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Joe
> Rinehart
> Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 3:44 PM
> To: 'Scott Thornton'; 'Cisco certification'
> Subject: RE: Cisco Charging for Packet now?
>
> Yes found that out recently as well...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Scott Thornton
> Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 12:19 PM
> To: Cisco certification
> Subject: Cisco Charging for Packet now?
>
> Did anyone see this? Packet is no longer free for the printed
> edition...it
> now costs money.
>
> I received my renewal notice today and it is no longer free, I checked
> their
> web site to verify.
>
> Interesting...
>
> --
> Scott C Thornton
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