RE: Cisco Charging for Packet now?

From: Joe Rinehart (jjrinehart@hotmail.com)
Date: Thu Jun 15 2006 - 15:20:08 ART

Well we are pretty much all engineers here but this kind of thing is related
directly to business decisions. Trying to recoup costs where possible is
just part of the survival game in business these days. Margins get slimmer
so it has to be made up elsewhere. Of course there are insane ways to do
that as well, in a previous job no coffee water paper towels or anything
else was supplied. Even worse, we were told our per diem when training was
$30 when it was actually $35. Office supplied were locked up and the
finance Nazis policed everything to an extreme level...

Not defending or attacking the decision, just trying to point out the why.
I could see a decent case for making the electronic version free since no
printing or postage costs are involved....

-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of Mark
Lasarko
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 11:03 AM
To: magmax@bigpond.net.au; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: Cisco Charging for Packet now?

"Cisco does not offer much free stuff anymore"

I disagree.
Networkers' is a perfect example.
And I don't mean the vendor crap thrown into the crowds or wireless access.
(though some of the t-shirts, gizmos, and gadgets are quite nice at times)

I am referring specifically to the year of access after_the_event.
It is more information than most humans can absorb there (and have a life at
the same time)
And it is free.

If you want free stuff just start calling vendors and asking for it!
Maybe you'll get lucky and they'll send you a nice switch or something! :)

(Translation: I KNOW there are a few vendors who will "give away" devices
and
lose money, just to compete - to know that Cisco did not get the sale)

That said, I did not mean to infer that it was wrong for Cisco to decide to
charge for Packet, but on the other hand you have different fingers and a
debate could be made that at a certain level Cisco-certified individuals, or
perhaps even those organizations that pay the big bucks for services such as
Smartnet, receive some printed copies @ N/C for their staff.

My $.02
~M

>>> "Magmax" <magmax@bigpond.net.au> 06/15/06 8:03 AM >>>

That not fair we spend thousands on training and then we push Cisco Products
to our customers. I think we should look at Nortel or some other vendors.
Cisco does not offer much free stuff anymore

-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of Mark
Lasarko
Sent: Thursday, 15 June 2006 9:46 PM
To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: Cisco Charging for Packet now?

Hey y'all, It is a little more than two or three $'s (USD) per issue...

PRINT Edition Pricing:

ONE-YEAR SUBSCRIPTION (4 issues) for just $29.95
($36.50 International, US Dollars) - 15% off cover price.

TWO-YEAR SUBSCRIPTION (8 issues) for just $53.70
($65.70 International, US Dollars) - 25% off cover price

THREE-YEAR SUBSCRIPTION (12 issues) for just $75.18
($91.98 International, US Dollars) - 30% off cover price.
*Single issue cover price: $8.95 U.S./$10.95
Internationalhttps://www.cambeywest.com/pkt/pktpaids.asp

1yr ~ $7.49/issue USD ($9.13 International)
2yr ~ $6.71/issue USD ($8.21 International)
3yr ~ $6.27/issue USD ($7.67 International)

WTF?

Hopefully they will still offer a free one @ Networkers' next week?
(Probably the same last free copy we just got in the mail recently)

That's a shame - lot's of good info over the years :(

Complaint Department:
packet-editor@cisco.com
~M

>>> "Victor Cappuccio" <cvictor@protokolgroup.com> 06/14/06 7:18 PM >>>

Maybe...
Especially for people outside the US, and with Dolar Currency restrictions

-----Mensaje original-----
De: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] En nombre de Plank,
Jason
Enviado el: Miircoles, 14 de Junio de 2006 06:56 p.m.
Para: Joe Rinehart; 'Scott Thornton'; 'Cisco certification'
Asunto: RE: Cisco Charging for Packet now?

Isn't it like 2 or 3 dollars an issue now too?

-------------------
J. Marshall Plank
Network Engineer
101 Bellevue Parkway
Wilmington, DE 19809
E-mail: JPlank@concordefs.com
Phone: 302-793-5913

-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of Joe
Rinehart
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 3:44 PM
To: 'Scott Thornton'; 'Cisco certification'
Subject: RE: Cisco Charging for Packet now?

Yes found that out recently as well...

-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Scott Thornton
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 12:19 PM
To: Cisco certification
Subject: Cisco Charging for Packet now?

Did anyone see this? Packet is no longer free for the printed edition...it
now costs money.

I received my renewal notice today and it is no longer free, I checked their
web site to verify.

Interesting... 

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Scott C Thornton

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