From: Pierre-Alex (paguanel@hotmail.com)
Date: Tue Jun 13 2006 - 09:39:33 ART
Darby, Petr
I have been using various methods, including Netmaster's , Petr, and various
methods from the newsgroup.
I have also compiled a complex method from my experience doing labs - 3.5
years now ....
The net result is that I am taking longer and longer to complete even the
simplest tasks.
Running checklist after checklist in my mind has lead me to "analysis
paralysis".
After a long meditation on the situation last night, I came to the
conclusion that I should not repress the feeling of knowing
and always go by the checklist . If intuition is distilled knowledge, then
going back to the checklist is actually going backward in the
learning process - at least in my case.
I will correct the behaviour and see if things improve.
Thank you for the anecdotes, and comments they certainly got me thinking.
Pierre-Alex
----- Original Message -----
From: "Darby Weaver" <darbyweaver@yahoo.com>
To: "Pierre-Alex" <paguanel@hotmail.com>; "Petr Lapukhov"
<petrsoft@gmail.com>; "Cisco certification" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 10:54 AM
Subject: Re: my lab experience
> Pierre-Alex,
>
> My lord,
>
> As you know, some people who are particularly
> well-practiced and have done way to many labs, are
> able to to pick up most of what may be enountered on a
> lab almost instinctively.
>
> I sat next to a young guy at NMC-2 who passed on his
> first attempt and he was a LAB-KILLER, even scored
> 100% on one of VAL's hardest labs.
>
> He claims he did all but one last task in 2.5 hours
> and finished verifying the other before he left.
>
> I sat next to him for a week. He answered any
> questions and the only thing that remotely gave him
> trouble was interpretation.
>
> He neven used more than 8 hours. Truly a sight to
> watch and to draw inspiration from.
>
> Petr is also such a guy, obviously.
>
> He probably looked at his diagrams, his lab
> requirments, cleared up anything he was unsure of with
> the proctor and began typing away at DEMON-SPEED by
> the sounds of it.
>
> Finished before he knew what hit him.
>
> Just worry about what you can do, and do it.
>
> I start my own lab in just under 2.5 hours or so, so I
> guess I'll see for myself if it is harder or easier
> for me. :)
>
> --- Pierre-Alex <paguanel@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Petr,
>>
>> Sorry to be so insistant but you have not replied
>> to my last querry?
>>
>> " Did you actually follow your plan (the thourough
>> planning
>> stage, followed by questioning the proctor, then
>> implementation)
>> or did do just went ahead from your head and did
>> it?"
>>
>> The planning alone (using your method) takes me 1h
>> 30 hours working at
>> demoniac speed .
>>
>> I you are able to do the same in less time, it means
>> that methodology wise I
>> am doing something wrong ...
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Pierre-Alex
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Pierre-Alex" <paguanel@hotmail.com>
>> To: "Petr Lapukhov" <petrsoft@gmail.com>; "Cisco
>> certification"
>> <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2006 7:48 PM
>> Subject: Re: my lab experience
>>
>>
>> > Congratulations again Petr.
>> >
>> > Just curious, did you actually follow your plan
>> (the thourough planning
>> > stage, followed by questioning the proctor, then
>> implementation)
>> >
>> > or did do just went ahead from your head and did
>> it?
>> >
>> > Pierre-Alex
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Petr Lapukhov" <petrsoft@gmail.com>
>> > To: "Cisco certification" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>> > Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2006 7:07 PM
>> > Subject: my lab experience
>> >
>> >
>> >> Hello group,
>> >>
>> >> As I quickly mentioned, I passed my lab on June 8
>> in Brussels :)
>> >>
>> >> It was much easier than I thought it would be.
>> Actually, it took
>> >> me only 3 hours to complete the lab...
>> >>
>> >> But now, how many hours did it take for me to
>> prepare? :)
>> >>
>> >> To be honest, I started my lab studies on spring
>> 2005. At that
>> >> moment, I already had about 5 year of networking
>> experience,
>> >> and held CCNP/CCDP certificates. My first "wave"
>> of studies
>> >> begun with NMC's DoIT. Back in days, I planned to
>> take lab on
>> >> Fall 2005, but that plan did not work ;)
>> >>
>> >> After four months of intensive studies, I decided
>> to cancel my lab,
>> >> due to some personal problems :) So I took a
>> break, and shifted my
>> >> target to Spring-Summer 2006. At that moment I
>> had a much better
>> >> understanding of core R&S topics.
>> >>
>> >> At the same time, I realized how many things I
>> were missing :)
>> >> DoIT's approach is a kind of "kickstart", that
>> makes someone feel
>> >> frustration, facing complex topics from very
>> beginning :)
>> >>
>> >> So then I spet Sep-Dec 2005 working on some CQS
>> exams,
>> >> and other regular things, thus having a four
>> months break of
>> >> my CCIE studies.
>> >>
>> >> My second "wave" begun on Jan 2006, with DoIT2. I
>> scheduled my
>> >> lab on Jun 8, and reworked every lab from DoIT2.
>> That time I got a
>> >> much better feeling. Tasks, that seemed to be
>> complex, become
>> >> much more familiar and easy to understand. I also
>> made a habit to
>> >> work with DocCD on regular basis, memorizing it's
>> structure and
>> >> building navigation skills.
>> >>
>> >> At that time I got very solid undestanding of
>> core topics, and felt more
>> >> cofident working with 12.2T/12.3T features. DoIT
>> is especially
>> >> focused on all that new features :)
>> >>
>> >> Up to April 2006, I finished with DoIT2, and
>> started to look for
>> >> some different learning sources.
>> >>
>> >> Fortunately and specially thanks to Brian Dennis,
>> I got a chance to
>> >> work with IE's products. That really changed my
>> vision of "lab reality".
>> >>
>> >> First, IE's approach is incremental and well
>> structured, not single-shot.
>> >> That makes it very attractive for beginners.
>> Secondly, IE has lab
>> >> structure
>> >> really close to real thing, thanks to backone
>> routers. And finally, tasks
>> >> formatting and logic is quite different from
>> DoIT's, and score points
>> >> system
>> >>
>> >> is really useful.
>> >>
>> >> (BTW, both DoIT and IE labs are 3-5 times more
>> harder than real thing :)
>> >>
>> >> Unfortunately, I had no time to begin from the
>> "bottom" again, so
>> >> I decided to spend my time just on IEWB-RS
>> Vol1/Vol2. That was
>> >> really nice learning experience, which helped me
>> to close undestanding
>> >> gaps, as well as to get even more hands-on
>> experience. I finished
>> >> my preparations with IE's Core Labs, to cement my
>> fundametal skills.
>> >>
>> >> After that, I decided to take CheckIT lab,
>> pursuing few goals. First,
>> >> I wanted to test my latest "IE experince" with
>> "independent" tool.
>> >> Secondly, I wanted to know, how much of
>> "NMC-like" stuff I still
>> >> remember :) And finally, CheckIT has automatic
>> grading system
>> >> which would like to see in action. Of course, it
>> was also important
>> >> to test my time-management skills, as well as to
>> feel "pressure".
>> >>
>> >> I passed CheckIT Lab13 with score 95, and finally
>> felt myself
>> >> confident. CheckIT lab was really hard, and it
>> was a real fun to
>> >> pass it :)
>> >>
>> >> Okay, then I had that last week before my travel
>> date :)
>> >> I spent it on IE's Core and Vol 1 labs, as well
>> as DocCD practice.
>> >>
>> >> The rest part is simple. I came to Brussels, and
>> had two days of
>> >> beer-sessions with my friends ;)) That Belgian
>> beer really helped
>> >> me to relax :) Okay, not so fun part was that I
>> also got some sunburns,
>> >> wandering over water-channels :)
>> >>
>> >> I came to lab on June 8 completely relaxed
>> (almost careless :)
>> >> We had Tom from RTP as our proctor, and I must
>> say he was
>> >> very helpful, answering my numerous questions.
>> Our lab
>> >> begun at 8:00, and I was finished at 11:00.
>> Remaining time I spent
>> >> on coffee drinking, as well as doing countless
>> verifications :) I
>> >> hope I did'nt piss that guy left to me, hitting
>> my keyboard
>> >> at really insane rate :)
>> >>
>> >> I got my result next morning, and should say that
>> I had almost
>> >> no worry if I will pass or not. I dont know why,
>> maybe I already
>>
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