From: hulbertj@comcast.net
Date: Fri Jan 13 2006 - 15:00:08 GMT-3
Wow, I never really get a chance to respond to posts that often!
Jens, you are coming off way too confrontational. Don asked a question, Wayne gave him an answer with his Signature block attached that contained links, no big deal. (It makes searching ipexpert's site pretty easy). You fired off on Wayne and their product, Wayne gave a rebuttal and then you dragged Scott into it. Hmmm!!!!
If you want the cheapest training, go to CCO and download a bunch of pdf files on all of the technologies, print them out and read them. I think this would be free other than your Internet access and paper!
Jerry
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From: jens petter eikeland <jenseike@start.no>
> Man... You are as bad as wayne to take critic of your products.. If you had
> read what I said that for only $200 more than ipexperts charges for a 15/20
> hour VoD course you would get a 80 hour VoD course from IE... What I am saying
> is that ipexperts prices compare to what you get is way to high. I do not say
> that the content of the course is bad. As a CCIE student for a number of years,
> I can promise you that I have compared the prices for the different vendors on
> the different products and looked at what you really get for the money you
> pay... Not everybody get this sponsored from their employer, and for them this
> is important stuff since most of them do this study for years, and use much of
> their private funds. Therfor, I think this is a healthy discussion for all of
> us that are in a situation like this. And I am quite disapointed that both you
> and Wayne is comipng on here and cant take a critic of this.. Shame..
>
> JP
>
>
> Scott Morris :
>
> > This may be a stupid point to make, but if you are sitting here
> > complaining
> > that one company (at $800 or whatever it is) is "taking advantage" of
> > people
> > and yet turn around telling everyone how cool another company is that
> > charges $995 for their product, I'm failing to follow the logic there.
> >
> > You paid your shirt and part of a jacket, but apparantly that was all
> > right.
> > While I certainly can't speak for everyone, but I don't think I
> > personally
> > have ever not been concerned with helping people or following up with
> > folks
> > who took a class years ago (which I'm certainly not making any more
> > money
> > on).
> >
> > So while it's nice that you choose to support one vendor over another,
> > please do not go making accusations like that which you can't backup.
> > Be
> > professional.
> >
> >
> > Scott Morris, CCIE4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713,
> > JNCIE
> > #153, CISSP, et al.
> > IPExpert CCIE Program Manager
> > IPExpert Sr. Technical Instructor
> > swm@emanon.com/smorris@ipexpert.net
> > http://www.ipexpert.net
> >
> >
> > PS. As for the advertising, what part is advertising versus the
> > Brians
> > being on here, my being on here, Bruce Caslow/Bob Sinclair or any of
> > the
> > other trainers being on here?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > Jens
> > Petter Eikeland
> > Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 5:06 AM
> > To: 'Richard Dumoulin'; 'Wayne Lawson | IPexpert, Inc.'
> > Cc: ccieall@comcast.net; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: RE: IPExpert COD
> >
> > Sorry.... No they are not. I did not see that you asked for voice
> >
> > I do think that ipexpert have a extreme price anyway. And I think it
> > is
> >
> > A pity that they do take advantage of people that are trying to get by
> >
> > This study. It seems to me they are more consirned over making money
> >
> > Than they are helping people, and that is the reason I stay with IE
> > since
> >
> > They go a long way to help you without you have to pay your shirt of..
> >
> >
> >
> > I also think that for Mr. Wayne Lawson to use this forum to advertice
> > his
> >
> > Product is wrong. That he can do on his own web site
> >
> >
> >
> > That is my opinion anyway
> >
> >
> >
> > JP
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: Richard Dumoulin [mailto:Richard.Dumoulin@vanco.fr]
> > Sent: 13. januar 2006 09:19
> > To: 'jens petter eikeland'; Wayne Lawson | IPexpert, Inc.
> > Cc: ccieall@comcast.net; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: RE : IPExpert COD
> >
> >
> >
> > But JP, are they doing voice?
> >
> > -- Richard
> >
> > -----Message d'origine-----
> > De : nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] De la part de
> > jens
> > petter eikeland Envoyi : vendredi 13 janvier 2006 07:19 @ : Wayne Lawson
> > |
> > IPexpert, Inc.
> > Cc : ccieall@comcast.net; ccielab@groupstudy.com Objet : RE: IPExpert
> > COD
> >
> > Don ,
> >
> > Please consider the internetworkexpert VoD series first before
> > ipexperts.
> > Ipexperts series is a 15 hour lection for which you pay around $800. For
> > a
> > $200 more you will get from internetworkexpert a 80 hours series which
> > contain a video that is the exact same as their live bootcamp. This is
> > really not a comparison. Internetworksexperts series is a teach by
> > sombody
> > that is considered the best in the buissnis. The price ipexpert has set
> > on
> > this (and other products that they sell) is just to high. Here is the
> > link
> > to internetworkexpert :
> >
> > http://www.internetworkexpert.com/ieatcod-rs.htm'
> >
> > JP
> >
> >
> >
> > "Wayne Lawson | IPexpert, Inc." :
> >
> > > Don,
> > >
> > > Our COD product (R&S and Voice) is a collection of the lectures
> >
> > > that are given by our instructor(s). You see the same slides used in
> >
> > > the class and hear the instructor's voice / lecture. There are
> > > samples on our website if you'd like to take a look.
> > >
> > > Thank you for choosing IPexpert!,
> > > Wayne A. Lawson II
> > > Founder, President & CCIE #5244 - IPexpert, Inc.
> > > "When Will You Be an IP Expert?!"
> > > // Toll Free: +1.866.225.8064
> > > // Outside U.S. & Canada: +1.810.326.1444 x 601 // eFax:
> > > +1.810.454.0130 // Personal Mobile: +1.810.434.4801
> > > :: Live Chat: http://www.ipexpert.com/chat
> > > :: Mailto: wayne@ipexpert.com
> > > :: URL: http://www.IPexpert.com
> > > :: vRack Partner: http://www.ProctorLabs.com
> > >
> > > "IPexpert, Inc. - The Clear Industry Leader in Self-Paced,
> > > Classroom-Based,
> > > (Online) Distance Training, Online vRack Rental, Video-on-Demand and
> >
> > > Audio Certification Training Tools for the Cisco CCVP, CCIE R&S,
> > > Security, SP and Voice Labs!"
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> >
> > > Of ccieall@comcast.net
> > > Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 9:46 PM
> > > To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > Subject: IPExpert COD
> > >
> > > Hi group,
> > > Could anyone here has used IPExpert COD DVD for CCIE Voice give me an
> >
> > > advice? How does the class present and the format of the class? Is the
> >
> > > class like knowledgenet COD with lecture and display in motion or just
> >
> > > audio via DVD? Does the COD DVD class content with lab after each
> > > chapter or just lecture?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Don
> > >
> > >
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> > Mvh
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