From: Chris Lewis \(chrlewis\) (chrlewis@cisco.com)
Date: Sat Aug 20 2005 - 05:56:47 GMT-3
Brian,
It's still the same, Cisco departments get a big discount off list, but
have to buy them with cold hard cash from budget.
Chris
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Brian Dennis
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 2:32 AM
To: Sayeed Kachroo; frenzeus@hotmail.com; Brian McGahan;
cisco@groupstudy.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: CCIE LAB UPDATES [7:102057]
SK,
Do you think that Cisco gives routers away for free to the
different business groups within Cisco? I worked for Cisco in the
mid-90's and we always had to buy our equipment. Most of the time we
would buy equipment that was RMA'ed back at a discount but we never got
equipment for free. Of course Cisco may have changed over the years and
give routers away like candy today ;-)
Most people think that if you work for a company you'll get
their products/services very cheap or even for free. Over the years
doing consulting I've seen some of the worst desktops at IBM and some of
the worst health care benefits offered to employees of a major health
insurance company.
HTH,
Brian Dennis, CCIE #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security)
bdennis@internetworkexpert.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Sayeed Kachroo
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 10:33 PM
To: frenzeus@hotmail.com; Brian McGahan; cisco@groupstudy.com;
ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: CCIE LAB UPDATES [7:102057]
I thought that Cisco makes routers, how can it cost them. Is 2 Mil a big
money for cisco. I dont think so.
SK
from: "frenzeus Maximus" <frenzeus@hotmail.com>
Reply-To: "frenzeus Maximus" <frenzeus@hotmail.com>
To: bmcgahan@internetworkexpert.com, cisco@groupstudy.com,
ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: CCIE LAB UPDATES [7:102057]
Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 03:38:08 +0000
>A good breakout of the costs Brian.
>
>Guess that explains it all. Thanks for clearing it up.
>
>
>>From: "Brian McGahan" <bmcgahan@internetworkexpert.com>
>>To: "frenzeus Maximus"
>><frenzeus@hotmail.com>,<cisco@groupstudy.com>,<ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>>Subject: RE: CCIE LAB UPDATES [7:102057]
>>Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 21:40:09 -0400
>>
>> There are 10 CCIE lab sites worldwide. Let's say that each site has
>>about 8 R&S racks give or take. Each of these racks has 6 routers and
>>2 3550 Catalysts that you are responsible for configuring.
>>Assuming
>>that one is already a 3725, this means that there would be about 320
>>routers that need swapping out. At a list price of over $7000 USD,
>>this would mean that the CCIE program would be asking for a $2,240,000
>>requisition :) Instead of an immediate changing out the 2600s and
>>3600s will most likely be migrated away from over the next few years.
>>This is
>>the reason for the 12.3 announcement for the 2600s and 3600s, as
>>they're here to stay for at least the time being.
>>
>> Also keep in mind that the 3600s can run 12.4 mainline too, so the
>>feature difference between it and the 3800 ISR is more of a hardware
>>specific feature matter (i.e. integrated wireless, integrated
>>callmanager, etc). The voice related features will definitely not be
>>within the scope of the R&S exam since there is now a voice track.
>>Whether hardware specific features like the wireless or etherswitch
>>modules will be integrated is yet to be seen (however unlikely).
>>
>>
>>HTH,
>>
>>Brian McGahan, CCIE #8593
>>bmcgahan@internetworkexpert.com
>>
>>Internetwork Expert, Inc.
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>>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
>>Behalf
>>Of
>> > frenzeus Maximus
>> > Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 8:16 PM
>> > To: cisco@groupstudy.com
>> > Subject: RE: CCIE LAB UPDATES [7:102057]
>> >
>> > It says the 3825 ISRs will be replacing the 2600 & 3600 series.
>>However,
>> > it
>> > also says that the 2600 & 3600 IOS will be upgraded to 12.3
>>Mainline.
>> > Sounds
>> > contradicting to me.
>> >
>> > Are the 2600 & 3600 to be totally replaced with 3825 ISR or the
>>older
>>2600
>> > &
>> > 3600 will still be running concurrently with the newer routers
>>(3700 &
>> > 3800)
>> > in the lab exam? Or is it gonna be purely 3825s?
>> >
>> > any thoughts?
>> >
>> > >From: "lenny lim"
>> > >Reply-To: "lenny lim"
>> > >To: cisco@groupstudy.com
>> > >Subject: CCIE LAB UPDATES [7:102057]
>> > >Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 04:03:42 -0400
>> > >
>> > >Cisco CCIE Updates Lab Exam Equipment and IOS
>> > >
>> > >16 AUG 2005: Effective January 1, 2006 all CCIE Routing and
>>Switching
>>lab
>> > >locations will begin introducing the Cisco 3825 Integrated
>>Services
>> > Router
>> > >into the exam racks. These routers support Ethernet, Fast
>>Ethernet
>>and
>> > >Gigabit Ethernet interfaces and will eventually replace the
>>Series
>>2600
>> > and
>> > >Series 3600 models. Along with the router change, the CCIE R&S
>>lab
>>will
>> > be
>> > >upgrading the IOS to 12.3 mainline (for the Cisco 2600 and 3600
>>Series
>> > >Routers), 12.4 mainline (for Cisco 3700 and 3800 Series
>>Routers) and
>>12.2
>> > >for Cisco Catalyst 3550 switches.
>> > >
>> > >All CCIE R&S candidates taking exams January 1, 2006 or later
>>should
>>be
>> > >familiar with the updated IOS and equipment, although the
>>installations
>> > to
>> > >replace the routers will take place over several weeks and it
>>is
>>possible
>> > >some candidates may not see the new equipment in their exams.
>> >
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