From: Scott Morris (swm@emanon.com)
Date: Thu Jul 14 2005 - 14:18:26 GMT-3
Heheheh... Although, on the other hand, the same can be said of R&S,
Security, Service Provider and Voice labs! Early adopters tend to have less
materials to work with!
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Dalu-Chandu, Jay
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 12:19 PM
To: ccie
Cc: comserv@groupstudy.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: Observations on passing the Service Provider lab
Guys,
Why all this talk of Lab Workbooks? The early CCIE candidates prepared
using the documentation CD, there own initiatives and self developed lab
scenario's.
Use the Lab Objectives and build scenario's incorporating each of the
technologies. Many users of this group can provide hints and tips for
learning particular technologies. Just my thoughts.
Regards
Jay Dalu-Chandu
-- Network Consultant (BEng) NCR UK Limited Work:+44 (20)77258105 Mobile: +44 (0)7803231944 Email: jay.dalu-chandu@ncr.com-----Original Message----- From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of Jacob Owen Sent: 14 July 2005 13:36 To: ccie; DOUGLAS, DAVID N (AIT); Mike Dickson Cc: comserv@groupstudy.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com Subject: Re: Observations on passing the Service Provider lab
NetChild, HC is in fact Hellocomputers. The rumor is HC lost their abilities to sell Cisco related test preparation material due to NDA violations. I got their workbook and still have access to the answer key but as stated by others, the answer key seems very incomplete. I guess IPExpert is your sole choice for an SP lab workbook if you hadn't gotten one before the "downfall" of HC. Good luck!
--- ccie <ccie@netchild.pub.sa> wrote:
> I was checking the IPExpert website and I can see their workbook, but > for HC, they do not has any cisco's workbook ?! is Hello computers is > HC ?! > > Regards, > NetChild, > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "DOUGLAS, DAVID N (AIT)" <dd2916@sbc.com> > To: "Mike Dickson" <Mike@dicksonnetworks.com> > Cc: <comserv@groupstudy.com>; > <ccielab@groupstudy.com> > Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 5:02 PM > Subject: RE: Observations on passing the Service Provider lab > > > >I recently passed the CCIE SP on June 27th. I had > purchased the IPExpert > >and HC workbook. I found much more value in the HC > workbook than the > >IPExpert. In the HC all of the basics were there > and it was laid out very > >nicely. The solutions were not as complete as the > IPExpert workbook, but I > >would rather have no configs than wrong ones. > There are lots of errors in > >the IPExpert workbook and much of the book was a > waste of time. Actually I > >shouldn't say it is a waste of time because that > all depends on an > >individuals experience and strong points. As with > anything, it is a good > >idea to get as much information and research on a > topic as possible before > >claiming to be an expert. We need to remember > that! These books are not > >here to baby step us through passing the lab. I > felt the HC book taught me > >the basics on which to build on. > > > > Bottom line is that this is a rough track to > pursue and there really are > > not any training companies to rely on. > > > > My ".02 > > > > Dave Douglas > > CCIE #14155 (R&S/SP) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com > [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of > > Mike Dickson > > Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 9:11 PM > > To: comserv@groupstudy.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com > > Subject: RE: Observations on passing the Service > Provider lab > > > > > > Sorry, I agreed to the NDA. > > > > I used the IPExpert and Hello Computers workbook. > You can't purchase > > the Hello Computer workbook, which is a blessing, > because it wasn't > > worth the paper it was printed on. The IPExpert > WB was very helpful. I > > would also recommend that you start with the > blueprint and work your way > > down the list, using CCO and > www.cisco.com.univercd to familiarize > > yourself with all of the topics. > > > > Mike > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Lee Bruce [mailto:ccie.sp.vn@gmail.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 8:30 PM > > To: Mike Dickson > > Cc: comserv@groupstudy.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com > > Subject: Re: Observations on passing the Service > Provider lab > > > > Mike, > > There's not ISDN in blueprint. Did you see it in > the Lab? Now, there are > > very few workbook for CCIE SP, so how did you > practice to test your > > knowledge before taking lab? > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > On 7/6/05, Mike Dickson <Mike@dicksonnetworks.com> > wrote: > >> When I was studying for my R&S and Security, I > didn't use the > >> blueprint very much. For the SP lab, though, I > started with the > >> blueprint because there's not much else out there > geared for the SP. > >> Using the blueprint like you say really helped. > >> > >> Mike > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Joe Deleonardo > [mailto:jdeleonardo@networkinsight.com] > >> Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 11:44 PM > >> To: Neil Moore; Mike Dickson; > comserv@groupstudy.com; > >> ccielab@groupstudy.com > >> Subject: RE: Observations on passing the Service > Provider lab > >> > >> I'm trying something different this time. I'm > going down the blue > >> print item by item. > >> > >> I never did that on R&S or Security. I locked > myself into the > > workbooks. > >> Then of course I'd take the lab and there's > something on it I've never > > > >> seen before. > >> > >> I wonder if I'm the only person that over looked > the blue print as a > >> tool. It seems so dumb on my part to have over > looked it in the past. > >> > >> I've gone through both books workbooks, > configured everything I wasn't > > > >> familiar with. But going down the blue print has > helped me a lot. > >> > >> Even though a lot of it isn't difficult... like > 802.1Q-in-Q or NSF. It > > > >> would be such a waste of time in a lab to go look > up something trivial > > > >> when I could use the time for something more > important. > >> > >> I also have to say I think the TAC case > collection can be priceless. > >> Here's the link if anyone is interested: > >> > http://www.cisco.com/kobayashi/support/tac/tsa/launch_tsa.html > >> > >> Have a good night everyone! > >> > >> Regards- > >> > >> Joe > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ________________________________ > >> > >> From: Neil Moore [mailto:neil@droopy.com] > >> Sent: Mon 7/4/2005 8:05 PM > >> To: Joe Deleonardo; Mike Dickson; > comserv@groupstudy.com; > >> ccielab@groupstudy.com > >> Subject: Re: Observations on passing the Service > Provider lab > >> > >> > >> > >> When I was studying for the SP lab.. what I did > was take my R&S labs > >> and modify them to the service provider > blueprint. > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Joe Deleonardo" > <jdeleonardo@networkinsight.com> > >> To: "Mike Dickson" <Mike@dicksonnetworks.com>; > >> <comserv@groupstudy.com>; > <ccielab@groupstudy.com> > >> Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 9:11 PM > >> Subject: RE: Observations on passing the Service > Provider lab > >> > >> > >> > Congratulations! It must feel so good to pass > on the first attempt. > >> > > >> > And thank you! My lab is in nine days. I've > been through both books > >> > HC > >> > >> > and IPExpert, but had be focusing on HC. I has > be putting that book > === message truncated ===
Jacob Owen - CCIE #14063 (R&S)
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