From: ccie (ccie@netchild.pub.sa)
Date: Thu Jul 14 2005 - 03:07:28 GMT-3
I was checking the IPExpert website and I can see their workbook, but for
HC, they do not has any cisco's workbook ?! is Hello computers is HC ?!
Regards,
NetChild,
----- Original Message -----
From: "DOUGLAS, DAVID N (AIT)" <dd2916@sbc.com>
To: "Mike Dickson" <Mike@dicksonnetworks.com>
Cc: <comserv@groupstudy.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 5:02 PM
Subject: RE: Observations on passing the Service Provider lab
>I recently passed the CCIE SP on June 27th. I had purchased the IPExpert
>and HC workbook. I found much more value in the HC workbook than the
>IPExpert. In the HC all of the basics were there and it was laid out very
>nicely. The solutions were not as complete as the IPExpert workbook, but I
>would rather have no configs than wrong ones. There are lots of errors in
>the IPExpert workbook and much of the book was a waste of time. Actually I
>shouldn't say it is a waste of time because that all depends on an
>individuals experience and strong points. As with anything, it is a good
>idea to get as much information and research on a topic as possible before
>claiming to be an expert. We need to remember that! These books are not
>here to baby step us through passing the lab. I felt the HC book taught me
>the basics on which to build on.
>
> Bottom line is that this is a rough track to pursue and there really are
> not any training companies to rely on.
>
> My ".02
>
> Dave Douglas
> CCIE #14155 (R&S/SP)
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Mike Dickson
> Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 9:11 PM
> To: comserv@groupstudy.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: Observations on passing the Service Provider lab
>
>
> Sorry, I agreed to the NDA.
>
> I used the IPExpert and Hello Computers workbook. You can't purchase
> the Hello Computer workbook, which is a blessing, because it wasn't
> worth the paper it was printed on. The IPExpert WB was very helpful. I
> would also recommend that you start with the blueprint and work your way
> down the list, using CCO and www.cisco.com.univercd to familiarize
> yourself with all of the topics.
>
> Mike
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lee Bruce [mailto:ccie.sp.vn@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 8:30 PM
> To: Mike Dickson
> Cc: comserv@groupstudy.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: Observations on passing the Service Provider lab
>
> Mike,
> There's not ISDN in blueprint. Did you see it in the Lab? Now, there are
> very few workbook for CCIE SP, so how did you practice to test your
> knowledge before taking lab?
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> On 7/6/05, Mike Dickson <Mike@dicksonnetworks.com> wrote:
>> When I was studying for my R&S and Security, I didn't use the
>> blueprint very much. For the SP lab, though, I started with the
>> blueprint because there's not much else out there geared for the SP.
>> Using the blueprint like you say really helped.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Joe Deleonardo [mailto:jdeleonardo@networkinsight.com]
>> Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 11:44 PM
>> To: Neil Moore; Mike Dickson; comserv@groupstudy.com;
>> ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> Subject: RE: Observations on passing the Service Provider lab
>>
>> I'm trying something different this time. I'm going down the blue
>> print item by item.
>>
>> I never did that on R&S or Security. I locked myself into the
> workbooks.
>> Then of course I'd take the lab and there's something on it I've never
>
>> seen before.
>>
>> I wonder if I'm the only person that over looked the blue print as a
>> tool. It seems so dumb on my part to have over looked it in the past.
>>
>> I've gone through both books workbooks, configured everything I wasn't
>
>> familiar with. But going down the blue print has helped me a lot.
>>
>> Even though a lot of it isn't difficult... like 802.1Q-in-Q or NSF. It
>
>> would be such a waste of time in a lab to go look up something trivial
>
>> when I could use the time for something more important.
>>
>> I also have to say I think the TAC case collection can be priceless.
>> Here's the link if anyone is interested:
>> http://www.cisco.com/kobayashi/support/tac/tsa/launch_tsa.html
>>
>> Have a good night everyone!
>>
>> Regards-
>>
>> Joe
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> From: Neil Moore [mailto:neil@droopy.com]
>> Sent: Mon 7/4/2005 8:05 PM
>> To: Joe Deleonardo; Mike Dickson; comserv@groupstudy.com;
>> ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> Subject: Re: Observations on passing the Service Provider lab
>>
>>
>>
>> When I was studying for the SP lab.. what I did was take my R&S labs
>> and modify them to the service provider blueprint.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Joe Deleonardo" <jdeleonardo@networkinsight.com>
>> To: "Mike Dickson" <Mike@dicksonnetworks.com>;
>> <comserv@groupstudy.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 9:11 PM
>> Subject: RE: Observations on passing the Service Provider lab
>>
>>
>> > Congratulations! It must feel so good to pass on the first attempt.
>> >
>> > And thank you! My lab is in nine days. I've been through both books
>> > HC
>>
>> > and IPExpert, but had be focusing on HC. I has be putting that book
>> > down and going back to IPExpert. ;-)
>> >
>> > Regards-
>> >
>> > Joe
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ________________________________
>> >
>> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com on behalf of Mike Dickson
>> > Sent: Fri 7/1/2005 9:48 PM
>> > To: comserv@groupstudy.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> > Subject: Observations on passing the Service Provider lab
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Last Tuesday, I passed my Service Provider lab on my first attempt.
>
>> > I
>>
>> > wanted to make a few observations about the experience, and
>> > hopefully,
>>
>> > other will find these observations helpful.
>> >
>> > I used both the Hello Computers and IPExpert workbook as part of my
>> > preparation. In my opinion, the fact that the Hello Computers
>> > workbook is no longer for sale is a blessing in disguise. I found
>> > their exercises to be repetitive, and the solutions to be literally
>> > incomplete. By incomplete, I mean only half the configs were posted
>
>> > on the web site. On the other hand, I found the IPExpert workbook
>> > to be very helpful. Even though the current version is a bit long
>> > in the
>>
>> > tooth, it still mapped well to the lab, and I think it did a good
>> > job preparing me for the test.
>> >
>> > Secondly, I was very impressed with RTP. My other labs were taken
>> > at San Jose, and I was a little nervous about RTP. However, I found
>
>> > the proctors at RTP to be extremely helpful and very open to
> questions.
>> >
>> > Finally, and I hope I'm not getting too close to violating the NDA,
>> > but I found the SP test to be the first lab exam that seemed to be
>> > more of a puzzle than a straight test about technology. The R&S and
>
>> > Security labs seemed to be testing specific technical ways to
>> > accomplish a task. The SP lab seemed focused on providing more
>> > complicated tasks that forced me to figure out ways to combine
>> > multiple technical steps to accomplish a task. The other tracks
>> > seemed more focused on making me select the proper technique out of
>> > many possible techniques through the wording of the requirement.
>> >
>> > Hope y'all find this helpful.
>> >
>> >
>> > Mike Dickson
>> > CCIE #12281 (Routing & Switching, Security, Service Provider),
>> > MCSE+Internet, MCDBA
>> >
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