From: Scott Morris (swm@emanon.com)
Date: Sun Jul 03 2005 - 22:05:57 GMT-3
The resource is called the DocCD!
See, the thing is that no matter how many practice labs anyone creates, or
how many practice labs someone actually goes through, it may or may not be
enough to get through the lab. There's ALWAYS the chance something will br
thrown at you that you, or we, or anyone else hadn't necessarily thought of!
The problem is that too many people (and lab creators) are concerned about
coming up with the most bizarre and esoteric things that nobody has ever
heard of, because that will obviously prepare people better for the CCIE
lab, and it's just not true.
As someone who is going through all this stuff, it's good to be FAMILIAR
with the documentation and layout and structure. It's good to be VAGUELY
FAMILIAR with some esoteric topics in that you've heard them before. It's
really important to KNOW the basics of the protocols and how a router will
think about things (or switch).
Everything builds on the basics. If you don't understand how the router
thinks, then you won't truly understand the differences between Solution A,
Solution B and Solution C for the same task other than the fact the Ip
expert does one, NMC does another and IE does a third.
Multiprotocol labs are incredibly useful tools in your whole approach to
studying, however, it is critical to walk before running. Otherwise you
will be running without a clue where you are headed. Technology-based
studies are a great starting point to build a very serious foundation. Once
this is all down, picking up little details or looking up little details is
a quick task.
Just my two cents.
Scott
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Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 9:00 AM
To: '22Cent@gmail.com'; 'Group Study'
Subject: RE: Technology based study
Ray,
I'm a very strong of tech focused based study.
As far as I'm concerned, the lack of tech focus practice labs is the biggest
gaping hole in the prep resource market.
Unfortunately, at the moment, there aren't any good alternatives. The best
one can do, is go through the existing workbooks on a topic by topic basis
but that's admittedly a poor alternative to having practice labs workbooks
which are designed to take you through a topic from the basics to the
complex.
Right now, besides using the workbooks from IE or NMC or others in a way for
which they weren't designed, the only other choices that I'm aware of come
from IE and IP Expert but both of these choices, IMHO, are woefully
inadequate.
In both cases, the coverage of any given technology is spotty to say the
least. For example, just consider this. In the 3550 Config Guide, there
are about 40 chapters. Now, some chapters such as Spanning Tree easily lend
themselves to a dozen or more practice labs.
How many practice labs does IE or any other vendor have that focus on 3550
functionality? A half dozen ? A full dozen?
IMHO, the limited number of practice labs, hardly begins to scratch the
surface of what you need to know and practice in order to be fully prepared
for the real lab. And, even if you allow that any given practice lab
consists of multiple tasks covering multiple sub-topics of a given
technology, you're still left mostly unprepared.
Now, the degree to which the coverage of a technology is inadequate does
vary by topic. For example, if you take all the sections of Frame Relay or
ATM as a whole in the IE workbook, and know how to complete all these tasks,
you will be well prepared for that part of the real lab. And, the same
argument can be made for other topics as well.
However, as you observed, if you go through the labs on a lab by lab basis,
you tend not to build the foundation needed to master an individual
technology. And, instead you end up trying to memorize how to config
individual tasks which depending on how good your memory is may or may not
work that well for you. It didn't work for me.
Another problem with the lab by lab approach is you tend not to see the
patterns that exists that can make your mastery of a topic much easier.
The 3rd problem with the lab by lab approach is that after completing all
the labs, there will still probably be glaring gaps in your skill level of
the topic. Even though you may have covered all the important features of a
technology by the time you complete a workbook, will you remember all the
details of how you found a problem and fixed it when you did labs 1 through
3?
Most likely not.
So, to the extent possible, I agree that preparing for the real lab by
focusing on individual topics is a far better way to prepare, but that right
now good resources don't exist.
HTH, Tim
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Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 7:49 AM
To: Group Study
Subject: Technology based study
Hello Group,
I would like to get the groups feedback on a technology based study approach
rather then doing a full 8 hour lab scenario. Has anyone tried this approach
using any one of the vendor labs ( i.e IEWB ) ?
Any feedback would be great. Thanks in advance.
Ray
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