From: joshua lauer (jslauer@hotmail.com)
Date: Sat Jun 25 2005 - 11:55:30 GMT-3
I think you hit the nail on the head, there really isnt a whole lot too
it........I myself studied ISDN back, front, forward and sideways :) Just
know both and you'll be fine :)
regards,
josh
----- Original Message -----
From: "robbie" <robbie@packetized.org>
To: "Scott Morris" <swm@emanon.com>
Cc: "'John Matus'" <jmatus@pacbell.net>; "'Ricky'" <rickycool@gmail.com>;
"'Group Study'" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 10:42 AM
Subject: Re: isdn in san jose
> Wow, I respond to a post before I go to bed, and things progress to this
> stage by the time I wake up. I didn't realize I was pouring gas on a fire.
> :<
>
> What I meant in my original post, asking John about what the difference
> is, is that I don't think there is much of a difference between the
> switchtypes, other than perhaps default SPID format and LDN. I spent 3
> months of my life once figuring out a translations problem regarding ISDN
> (hint: when you as an ILEC decide to do in-band signalling for PPP setup
> instead of d-channel, and filter it out of the d-channel in translations,
> tell someone instead of playing dumb for months) and I learned more about
> ISDN than I think anyone should EVER know, short of the IEEE group that
> standardized it. Having said all of that, the reason I asked is because I
> wanted to know if he was asking to validate what he knew already, or
> honestly didn't know the answer to it. I think that if you go into the
> lab, you should be prepared for either type - but from my experience, the
> only difference is the SPID format and the LDN, at least for National vs.
> NET3.
>
> Someone correct me if I'm wrong - I honestly would like to know at this
> point. :)
>
> Cheers,
> Robbie
>
>
>
> Scott Morris wrote:
>> Ok... Enough, EVERYONE! All in all, this discussion did not need to
>> move
>> to this level.
>>
>> Whether you use your CCIE number in public domain is irrelevant (kinda
>> odd
>> if you don't, but whatever). This discussion was perfectly fine at the
>> level of "friendly jabs" back and forth. It did not need to get personal
>> at
>> all.
>>
>> Just because I have more certifications that he (or many others) does not
>> always mean I'm right. So it's good to question and don't accept
>> everything
>> "just because". But don't make it personal!
>>
>> Amazingly enough, we are a very small audience all in all. I'm always
>> amazed how many of you fine folks I have run into at different places,
>> different gigs, different levels over the years. It's typically wise not
>> get personal in this stuff because one moment of "e-mail rage" (which is
>> similar to road rage only with an enter key) may become what you're
>> remembered for.
>>
>> Calm down everyone... Count to 10.5 (in binary) and let's get on with
>> life!
>>
>> Scott -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>> John
>> Matus
>> Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 2:58 AM
>> To: Ricky; Group Study
>> Subject: Re: isdn in san jose
>>
>> wow, you are really one of those people who feels that he needs overly
>> express himself. "well, allow me to retort". you can feel free to
>> agree or disagree to anything that i say, but i don'te believe that i
>> insulted you
>> at any point in time, so i'm not sure where you think you have the right
>> to judge me or my skill set or anything else about me. and btw, being
>> ccie #
>>
>> 14xxxx makes no difference to me, it just means that your a 14xxx ass.
>> put
>> that in your ccie pipe and smoke it, son. and when you're done w/ that,
>> you
>> can go.....yourself. :)
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> John D. Matus
>> MCSE, CCNP
>> Office: 818-782-2061
>> Cell: 818-430-8372
>> jmatus@pacbell.net
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ricky" <rickycool@gmail.com>
>> To: "John Matus" <jmatus@pacbell.net>; "Group Study"
>> <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>> Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 11:28 PM
>> Subject: Re: isdn in san jose
>>
>>
>>
>>>Hi John
>>>The fact is Scott is a respected CCIE, you can even find his info on the
>>>Cisco website. So if he says something you better understand it is for
>>>your
>>>own good.
>>>Ricky
>>>CCIE #14XXX
>>>I usually don't mention my CCIE number in the group because it is a
>>>public
>>>domain but just incase you wanted to know i have cleared my lab and the
>>>fact
>>>that you have got 100% on your ISDN doesn't really bother me since you
>>>haven't got your number yet.
>>>
>>>
>>>On 6/24/05, Scott Morris <swm@emanon.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Well, if it's just semantics one does have to wonder why it's a big deal
>>>>to
>>>>ask. ;)
>>>>
>>>>Learn SPIDs just in case! It can never hurt to know too much.
>>>>
>>>>Scott
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: John Matus [mailto:jmatus@pacbell.net]
>>>>Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 12:54 AM
>>>>To: swm@emanon.com; 'robbie'; 'Group Study'
>>>>Subject: Re: isdn in san jose
>>>>
>>>>hmm....i don't think it is "quite" as similar as asking about frame
>>>>encap
>>>>type. that is a "programming/programmed feature". mentioning what kind
>>>>of
>>>>isdn line is used does not tell how to configure the device, merely what
>>>>the
>>>>isdn switch type is.....much the same way that telling someone that they
>>>>use
>>>>a 3xxx router does not give anything away as far as "how to use" or
>>>>program
>>>>it. it's semantic-soup, i tell ya.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Regards,
>>>>
>>>>John D. Matus
>>>>MCSE, CCNP
>>>>Office: 818-782-2061
>>>>Cell: 818-430-8372
>>>>jmatus@pacbell.net
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: "Scott Morris" <swm@emanon.com>
>>>>To: "'John Matus'" <jmatus@pacbell.net>; "'robbie'"
>>>><robbie@packetized.org
>>>>
>>>>>;
>>>>
>>>>"'Group Study'" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>>>>Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 9:24 PM
>>>>Subject: RE: isdn in san jose
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>No, it's more along the lines that specific details that lead to
>>>>>things studied or not are part of it. Blue cables have nothing to do
>>>>>with how ethernet may be tested. The 3550's are listed on Cisco's
>>>>
>>>>blueprint.
>>>>
>>>>>You aren't talking about hardware. The BRI line is the same, and you
>>>>>know you have those because they're on the blueprint. Until Cisco
>>>>>decides to list an ISDN switch-type on their blueprint, assume that
>>>>>any of the basic-??? Types are fair game.
>>>>>
>>>>>It's more like asking is the frame-relay cloud using Cisco or IETF
>>>>>encapsulation.
>>>>>
>>>>>Scott
>>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
>>>>>Of John Matus
>>>>>Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 12:09 AM
>>>>>To: swm@emanon.com; 'robbie'; 'Group Study'
>>>>>Subject: Re: isdn in san jose
>>>>>
>>>>>hmm.......i wouldn't have thought that talking about the isdn
>>>>>simulator would be a violation of the NDA. is it alsoa violation to
>>>>>say that they use 3550 switches and 3xxx series routers??<not that i
>>>>>can even remember, i did
>>>>>not sit next to a rack> or that they use blue cat5 cables even :) i
>>>>>think
>>>>>talking about the "exam" and talking about "hardware" are 2 differnt
>>>>>things.
>>>>>
>>>>>the test is what is given to you in the exam book. what you do the
>>>>>test on is anciliary. it's certianly not a violation to say that
>>>>>there is a spare copy of the doc cd in the rom drive....!!!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>>John D. Matus
>>>>>MCSE, CCNP
>>>>>Office: 818-782-2061
>>>>>Cell: 818-430-8372
>>>>>jmatus@pacbell.net
>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>From: "Scott Morris" <swm@emanon.com>
>>>>>To: "'John Matus'" <jmatus@pacbell.net>; "'robbie'"
>>>>><robbie@packetized.org>;
>>>>>"'Group Study'" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>>>>>Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 8:44 PM
>>>>>Subject: RE: isdn in san jose
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Well, you realize that it's all a function of the ISDN switch
>>>>>>anyway...
>>>>>>And
>>>>>>there's also that whole NDA thing too....
>>>>>>
>>>>>>So, know how to do SPIDs (which really aren't difficult) and if you
>>>>>>have them, cool, if you don't, cool too!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>As soon as someone says that there are no SPIDs on the exam, it'll
>>>>>>just take people a few minutes in the lab to go and reprogram the
>>>>>>ISDN simulators and BAM, everyone gets SPIDs! ;)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Scott
>>>>>>
>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
>>>>>>Of John Matus
>>>>>>Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 11:28 PM
>>>>>>To: robbie; Group Study
>>>>>>Subject: Re: isdn in san jose
>>>>>>
>>>>>>i love getting straight answers :-P
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>John D. Matus
>>>>>>MCSE, CCNP
>>>>>>Office: 818-782-2061
>>>>>>Cell: 818-430-8372
>>>>>>jmatus@pacbell.net
>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>From: "robbie" <robbie@packetized.org>
>>>>>>To: "Group Study" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>>>>>>Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 8:07 PM
>>>>>>Subject: Re: isdn in san jose
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>What's the practical difference between basic-ni and basic-net3,
>>>>>>>other than default SPID formats (20255512120101 vs 0555121201, etc)?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>>>>Robbie
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>John Matus wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>do they use basic-net3 in san jose?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>John D. Matus
>>>>>>>>MCSE, CCNP
>>>>>>>>Office: 818-782-2061
>>>>>>>>Cell: 818-430-8372
>>>>>>>>jmatus@pacbell.net
>>>>>>>>
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