From: robbie (robbie@packetized.org)
Date: Sat Jun 25 2005 - 11:42:59 GMT-3
Wow, I respond to a post before I go to bed, and things progress to this
stage by the time I wake up. I didn't realize I was pouring gas on a
fire. :<
What I meant in my original post, asking John about what the difference
is, is that I don't think there is much of a difference between the
switchtypes, other than perhaps default SPID format and LDN. I spent 3
months of my life once figuring out a translations problem regarding
ISDN (hint: when you as an ILEC decide to do in-band signalling for PPP
setup instead of d-channel, and filter it out of the d-channel in
translations, tell someone instead of playing dumb for months) and I
learned more about ISDN than I think anyone should EVER know, short of
the IEEE group that standardized it. Having said all of that, the reason
I asked is because I wanted to know if he was asking to validate what he
knew already, or honestly didn't know the answer to it. I think that if
you go into the lab, you should be prepared for either type - but from
my experience, the only difference is the SPID format and the LDN, at
least for National vs. NET3.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong - I honestly would like to know at this
point. :)
Cheers,
Robbie
Scott Morris wrote:
> Ok... Enough, EVERYONE! All in all, this discussion did not need to move
> to this level.
>
> Whether you use your CCIE number in public domain is irrelevant (kinda odd
> if you don't, but whatever). This discussion was perfectly fine at the
> level of "friendly jabs" back and forth. It did not need to get personal at
> all.
>
> Just because I have more certifications that he (or many others) does not
> always mean I'm right. So it's good to question and don't accept everything
> "just because". But don't make it personal!
>
> Amazingly enough, we are a very small audience all in all. I'm always
> amazed how many of you fine folks I have run into at different places,
> different gigs, different levels over the years. It's typically wise not
> get personal in this stuff because one moment of "e-mail rage" (which is
> similar to road rage only with an enter key) may become what you're
> remembered for.
>
> Calm down everyone... Count to 10.5 (in binary) and let's get on with life!
>
> Scott
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of John
> Matus
> Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 2:58 AM
> To: Ricky; Group Study
> Subject: Re: isdn in san jose
>
> wow, you are really one of those people who feels that he needs overly
> express himself. "well, allow me to retort". you can feel free to agree
> or disagree to anything that i say, but i don'te believe that i insulted you
> at any point in time, so i'm not sure where you think you have the right to
> judge me or my skill set or anything else about me. and btw, being ccie #
>
> 14xxxx makes no difference to me, it just means that your a 14xxx ass. put
> that in your ccie pipe and smoke it, son. and when you're done w/ that, you
> can go.....yourself. :)
>
>
> Regards,
>
> John D. Matus
> MCSE, CCNP
> Office: 818-782-2061
> Cell: 818-430-8372
> jmatus@pacbell.net
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ricky" <rickycool@gmail.com>
> To: "John Matus" <jmatus@pacbell.net>; "Group Study"
> <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 11:28 PM
> Subject: Re: isdn in san jose
>
>
>
>>Hi John
>>The fact is Scott is a respected CCIE, you can even find his info on the
>>Cisco website. So if he says something you better understand it is for
>>your
>>own good.
>>Ricky
>>CCIE #14XXX
>>I usually don't mention my CCIE number in the group because it is a public
>>domain but just incase you wanted to know i have cleared my lab and the
>>fact
>>that you have got 100% on your ISDN doesn't really bother me since you
>>haven't got your number yet.
>>
>>
>>On 6/24/05, Scott Morris <swm@emanon.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Well, if it's just semantics one does have to wonder why it's a big deal
>>>to
>>>ask. ;)
>>>
>>>Learn SPIDs just in case! It can never hurt to know too much.
>>>
>>>Scott
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: John Matus [mailto:jmatus@pacbell.net]
>>>Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 12:54 AM
>>>To: swm@emanon.com; 'robbie'; 'Group Study'
>>>Subject: Re: isdn in san jose
>>>
>>>hmm....i don't think it is "quite" as similar as asking about frame encap
>>>type. that is a "programming/programmed feature". mentioning what kind of
>>>isdn line is used does not tell how to configure the device, merely what
>>>the
>>>isdn switch type is.....much the same way that telling someone that they
>>>use
>>>a 3xxx router does not give anything away as far as "how to use" or
>>>program
>>>it. it's semantic-soup, i tell ya.
>>>
>>>
>>>Regards,
>>>
>>>John D. Matus
>>>MCSE, CCNP
>>>Office: 818-782-2061
>>>Cell: 818-430-8372
>>>jmatus@pacbell.net
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Scott Morris" <swm@emanon.com>
>>>To: "'John Matus'" <jmatus@pacbell.net>; "'robbie'"
>>><robbie@packetized.org
>>>
>>>>;
>>>
>>>"'Group Study'" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>>>Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 9:24 PM
>>>Subject: RE: isdn in san jose
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>No, it's more along the lines that specific details that lead to
>>>>things studied or not are part of it. Blue cables have nothing to do
>>>>with how ethernet may be tested. The 3550's are listed on Cisco's
>>>
>>>blueprint.
>>>
>>>>You aren't talking about hardware. The BRI line is the same, and you
>>>>know you have those because they're on the blueprint. Until Cisco
>>>>decides to list an ISDN switch-type on their blueprint, assume that
>>>>any of the basic-??? Types are fair game.
>>>>
>>>>It's more like asking is the frame-relay cloud using Cisco or IETF
>>>>encapsulation.
>>>>
>>>>Scott
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
>>>>Of John Matus
>>>>Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 12:09 AM
>>>>To: swm@emanon.com; 'robbie'; 'Group Study'
>>>>Subject: Re: isdn in san jose
>>>>
>>>>hmm.......i wouldn't have thought that talking about the isdn
>>>>simulator would be a violation of the NDA. is it alsoa violation to
>>>>say that they use 3550 switches and 3xxx series routers??<not that i
>>>>can even remember, i did
>>>>not sit next to a rack> or that they use blue cat5 cables even :) i
>>>>think
>>>>talking about the "exam" and talking about "hardware" are 2 differnt
>>>>things.
>>>>
>>>>the test is what is given to you in the exam book. what you do the
>>>>test on is anciliary. it's certianly not a violation to say that
>>>>there is a spare copy of the doc cd in the rom drive....!!!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Regards,
>>>>
>>>>John D. Matus
>>>>MCSE, CCNP
>>>>Office: 818-782-2061
>>>>Cell: 818-430-8372
>>>>jmatus@pacbell.net
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: "Scott Morris" <swm@emanon.com>
>>>>To: "'John Matus'" <jmatus@pacbell.net>; "'robbie'"
>>>><robbie@packetized.org>;
>>>>"'Group Study'" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>>>>Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 8:44 PM
>>>>Subject: RE: isdn in san jose
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Well, you realize that it's all a function of the ISDN switch
>>>>>anyway...
>>>>>And
>>>>>there's also that whole NDA thing too....
>>>>>
>>>>>So, know how to do SPIDs (which really aren't difficult) and if you
>>>>>have them, cool, if you don't, cool too!
>>>>>
>>>>>As soon as someone says that there are no SPIDs on the exam, it'll
>>>>>just take people a few minutes in the lab to go and reprogram the
>>>>>ISDN simulators and BAM, everyone gets SPIDs! ;)
>>>>>
>>>>>Scott
>>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
>>>>>Of John Matus
>>>>>Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 11:28 PM
>>>>>To: robbie; Group Study
>>>>>Subject: Re: isdn in san jose
>>>>>
>>>>>i love getting straight answers :-P
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>>John D. Matus
>>>>>MCSE, CCNP
>>>>>Office: 818-782-2061
>>>>>Cell: 818-430-8372
>>>>>jmatus@pacbell.net
>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>From: "robbie" <robbie@packetized.org>
>>>>>To: "Group Study" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>>>>>Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 8:07 PM
>>>>>Subject: Re: isdn in san jose
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>What's the practical difference between basic-ni and basic-net3,
>>>>>>other than default SPID formats (20255512120101 vs 0555121201, etc)?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>>>Robbie
>>>>>>
>>>>>>John Matus wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>do they use basic-net3 in san jose?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>John D. Matus
>>>>>>>MCSE, CCNP
>>>>>>>Office: 818-782-2061
>>>>>>>Cell: 818-430-8372
>>>>>>>jmatus@pacbell.net
>>>>>>>
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