From: Yasser Aly (yaseraly00@yahoo.com)
Date: Fri Feb 11 2005 - 06:25:00 GMT-3
Hi Tim,
For me I didn't rely on documentation CD. I didn't study it from inside out as some do.
During studying for CCIE I mainly relied on the following:
- Most common preparation books for CCIE like, TCP/IP Vol1 & 2, Practical Studies 1&2, BGP For Halabi, and many others that commonly mentioned on the list from time to time.
- InternetworkExpert R&S workbook - The most important section during my preparation -
- CCO:
- Lots and lots of hands on practicing.
- I passed by the Doc CD only at the very end of my preparation just to be familier of where to find information I would like to find during the exam.
Documentation CD definitely inlcudes all the info you need to pass the exam. However, it does not provide complex examples that integrate technologies together like you find with commercial workbooks and hence can not be only used by itself as the sole source to study from.
So to answer your question, the way documneation CD is written at makes it includes all the information needed but lacks detailed examples you will find at CCO. It is like an index of the book, not the whole book itself.
I guess that studying only DOC CD is very exhaustive time coonsuming process and still you are missing a lot for your preparation that needs to be learnt from other sources mentioned above.
This strategy worked for me to pass the lab but what works for me doesn't work for another and vice versa.
Just my openion.
Yasser
ccie2be <ccie2be@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
Richard, Brian, et al,
Let me phrase the question a little differently.
Do you think the documentation on just the Doc - CD is good enough that it
could be your only source of information used to prepare for the lab?
Let's assume you had thoroughly studied the doc-CD and knew it inside out,
but that's all you studied. Do you think you could pass the lab?
I rest my case.
Tim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Dumoulin"
To: "Andy" ; "'Brian Dennis'"
; "'ccie2be'" ; "'Group
Study'"
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 3:55 PM
Subject: RE: Quality of Cisco Documentation
> Can you provide the links please? I am curious,
>
> -- Richard
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andy [mailto:AndyMrozek@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 9:47 PM
> To: 'Brian Dennis'; Richard Dumoulin; 'ccie2be'; 'Group Study'
> Subject: RE: Quality of Cisco Documentation
>
> Thank you for the links , and I believe it is safe to say that if you see
> /univercd within url that is is reachable ? I wasn't under the impression
> that we were speaking specifically in regards to internetworking
companies.
> The thread asked if there were any other comparisons of a company who had
> docs that may be deemed better when viewed from a technical written
> perspective. I was just providing an example. Anytime I am looking up a
> piece of info of how linux may work I simply know that go to redhat first
as
> they always have clear concise articles even organized by build of kernel.
I
> think docCD is great , but is there room for improvement ? I believe so.
> Again thanks for the links..
>
> -Andy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brian Dennis [mailto:bdennis@internetworkexpert.com]
> Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 12:42 PM
> To: Andy; Richard Dumoulin; ccie2be; Group Study
> Subject: RE: Quality of Cisco Documentation
>
> There are tons of good examples from the configuration guides on the
> documentation CD.
>
> Configuring IP Multicast Routing
>
http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/software/ios122/122cgcr/fipr
> _c/ipcpt3/1cfmulti.htm
>
> Configuring BGP
>
http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/software/ios122/122cgcr/fipr
> _c/ipcprt2/1cfbgp.htm
>
> etc, etc, etc, etc
>
> You should also look at the "new feature" documentation:
>
>
http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/software/ios122/122newft/122
> t/index.htm
>
> Not to mention all the design guides and troubleshooting information on
the
> CD:
>
> Internetwork Design Guide
> http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/cisintwk/idg4/index.htm
>
> Internetwork Troubleshooting Handbook
> http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/cisintwk/itg_v1/index.htm
>
> Internetworking Case Studies
> http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/cisintwk/itg_v1/index.htm
>
> Internetworking Technology Handbook
> http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/cisintwk/ito_doc/index.htm
>
> Lastly I would not put Redhat in the same category as Juniper, Cisco, or
> Extreme as a networking equipment vendor ;-)
>
> Brian Dennis, CCIE #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security)
> bdennis@internetworkexpert.com
>
> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
> Toll Free: 877-224-8987
> Direct: 775-745-6404 (Outside the US and Canada)
> ________________________________________
> From: Andy [mailto:AndyMrozek@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 12:26 PM
> To: 'Richard Dumoulin'; Brian Dennis; 'ccie2be'; 'Group Study'
> Subject: RE: Quality of Cisco Documentation
>
> But are they are available on the Web ??? That is key... Make sure the
> section you are viewing are within the scope of the /univercd directory
> base.... I am not saying that it is horrible by far... Brian just asked if
> someone has an example of something Thought better quality than cisco... I
> gave an example being Redhat.. So do you have some of these examples ???
>
> ________________________________________
> From: Richard Dumoulin [mailto:Richard.Dumoulin@vanco.fr]
> Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 12:22 PM
> To: Andy; 'Brian Dennis'; 'ccie2be'; 'Group Study'
> Subject: RE: Quality of Cisco Documentation
>
> Then you are missing the Cisco scenario based doc on the Web!
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andy [mailto:AndyMrozek@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 7:56 PM
> To: 'Brian Dennis'; 'ccie2be'; 'Group Study'
> Subject: RE: Quality of Cisco Documentation
> I can REHAT LINUX by far .... Very detailed , scenario based easy to read
> docs... I look for scenario based examples , not just a command option1
> option2 type thing , when you look at cisco command ref the guideline
> section is very brief , some of them are fine but others leave you
wondering
>
> ...
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Brian Dennis
> Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 10:50 AM
> To: ccie2be; Group Study
> Subject: RE: Quality of Cisco Documentation
> Tim,
> Can you give an example of another vendor that puts out a better
> documentation CD?
> Brian Dennis, CCIE #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security)
> bdennis@internetworkexpert.com
>
> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
> Toll Free: 877-224-8987
> Direct: 775-745-6404 (Outside the US and Canada)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> ccie2be
> Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 8:34 AM
> To: Group Study
> Subject: Quality of Cisco Documentation
> Hi guys,
> I'm just wondering how many people think like I do that Cisco
> Documentation is
> extremely poor
> especially what's included on the Doc-CD?
> Aside from complaining about how terrible it is, do you think there's
> anything
> that can be done that would make Cisco vastly improve the quality of
> it's
> documentation?
>
> Personally, I think Cisco should demand the same level of quality from
> it's
> documentation as it does for potential ccie's.
> Can you imagine how good the documentation would be if the quality of
> the
> documentation had to be as high as the skills
> needed to pass the ccie lab?
> What's your opinion?
> Tim
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