From: ccie2be (ccie2be@nyc.rr.com)
Date: Thu Feb 10 2005 - 19:42:13 GMT-3
Richard, Brian, et al,
Let me phrase the question a little differently.
Do you think the documentation on just the Doc - CD is good enough that it
could be your only source of information used to prepare for the lab?
Let's assume you had thoroughly studied the doc-CD and knew it inside out,
but that's all you studied. Do you think you could pass the lab?
I rest my case.
Tim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Dumoulin" <Richard.Dumoulin@vanco.fr>
To: "Andy" <AndyMrozek@yahoo.com>; "'Brian Dennis'"
<bdennis@internetworkexpert.com>; "'ccie2be'" <ccie2be@nyc.rr.com>; "'Group
Study'" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 3:55 PM
Subject: RE: Quality of Cisco Documentation
> Can you provide the links please? I am curious,
>
> -- Richard
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andy [mailto:AndyMrozek@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 9:47 PM
> To: 'Brian Dennis'; Richard Dumoulin; 'ccie2be'; 'Group Study'
> Subject: RE: Quality of Cisco Documentation
>
> Thank you for the links , and I believe it is safe to say that if you see
> /univercd within url that is is reachable ? I wasn't under the impression
> that we were speaking specifically in regards to internetworking
companies.
> The thread asked if there were any other comparisons of a company who had
> docs that may be deemed better when viewed from a technical written
> perspective. I was just providing an example. Anytime I am looking up a
> piece of info of how linux may work I simply know that go to redhat first
as
> they always have clear concise articles even organized by build of kernel.
I
> think docCD is great , but is there room for improvement ? I believe so.
> Again thanks for the links..
>
> -Andy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brian Dennis [mailto:bdennis@internetworkexpert.com]
> Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 12:42 PM
> To: Andy; Richard Dumoulin; ccie2be; Group Study
> Subject: RE: Quality of Cisco Documentation
>
> There are tons of good examples from the configuration guides on the
> documentation CD.
>
> Configuring IP Multicast Routing
>
http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/software/ios122/122cgcr/fipr
> _c/ipcpt3/1cfmulti.htm
>
> Configuring BGP
>
http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/software/ios122/122cgcr/fipr
> _c/ipcprt2/1cfbgp.htm
>
> etc, etc, etc, etc
>
> You should also look at the "new feature" documentation:
>
>
http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/software/ios122/122newft/122
> t/index.htm
>
> Not to mention all the design guides and troubleshooting information on
the
> CD:
>
> Internetwork Design Guide
> http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/cisintwk/idg4/index.htm
>
> Internetwork Troubleshooting Handbook
> http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/cisintwk/itg_v1/index.htm
>
> Internetworking Case Studies
> http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/cisintwk/itg_v1/index.htm
>
> Internetworking Technology Handbook
> http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/cisintwk/ito_doc/index.htm
>
> Lastly I would not put Redhat in the same category as Juniper, Cisco, or
> Extreme as a networking equipment vendor ;-)
>
> Brian Dennis, CCIE #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security)
> bdennis@internetworkexpert.com
>
> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
> Toll Free: 877-224-8987
> Direct: 775-745-6404 (Outside the US and Canada)
> ________________________________________
> From: Andy [mailto:AndyMrozek@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 12:26 PM
> To: 'Richard Dumoulin'; Brian Dennis; 'ccie2be'; 'Group Study'
> Subject: RE: Quality of Cisco Documentation
>
> But are they are available on the Web ??? That is key... Make sure the
> section you are viewing are within the scope of the /univercd directory
> base.... I am not saying that it is horrible by far... Brian just asked if
> someone has an example of something Thought better quality than cisco... I
> gave an example being Redhat.. So do you have some of these examples ???
>
> ________________________________________
> From: Richard Dumoulin [mailto:Richard.Dumoulin@vanco.fr]
> Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 12:22 PM
> To: Andy; 'Brian Dennis'; 'ccie2be'; 'Group Study'
> Subject: RE: Quality of Cisco Documentation
>
> Then you are missing the Cisco scenario based doc on the Web!
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andy [mailto:AndyMrozek@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 7:56 PM
> To: 'Brian Dennis'; 'ccie2be'; 'Group Study'
> Subject: RE: Quality of Cisco Documentation
> I can REHAT LINUX by far .... Very detailed , scenario based easy to read
> docs... I look for scenario based examples , not just a command option1
> option2 type thing , when you look at cisco command ref the guideline
> section is very brief , some of them are fine but others leave you
wondering
>
> ...
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Brian Dennis
> Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 10:50 AM
> To: ccie2be; Group Study
> Subject: RE: Quality of Cisco Documentation
> Tim,
> Can you give an example of another vendor that puts out a better
> documentation CD?
> Brian Dennis, CCIE #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security)
> bdennis@internetworkexpert.com
>
> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
> Toll Free: 877-224-8987
> Direct: 775-745-6404 (Outside the US and Canada)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> ccie2be
> Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 8:34 AM
> To: Group Study
> Subject: Quality of Cisco Documentation
> Hi guys,
> I'm just wondering how many people think like I do that Cisco
> Documentation is
> extremely poor
> especially what's included on the Doc-CD?
> Aside from complaining about how terrible it is, do you think there's
> anything
> that can be done that would make Cisco vastly improve the quality of
> it's
> documentation?
>
> Personally, I think Cisco should demand the same level of quality from
> it's
> documentation as it does for potential ccie's.
> Can you imagine how good the documentation would be if the quality of
> the
> documentation had to be as high as the skills
> needed to pass the ccie lab?
> What's your opinion?
> Tim
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