From: boby2kusa (boby2kusa@hotmail.com)
Date: Thu Feb 10 2005 - 20:57:08 GMT-3
Let me put in my 2 cents on this discussion. After passing CCIE 2 years
ago, knowing the documentation in and out would not help. You will need
hand on experience that can be obtain by practice, practice and more
practice. BUT, knowing the documentation especifically the UniverCD
certainly helps on lab day. Knowing where to find a certain feature or ip
services certainly helped a lot. Not knowing where to find it in a least
amount of time would certainly hurt your lab exam result as you will spend a
lot of time looking and looking. So, Knowing UniverCD alone will not help
you pass it but with practice and thorough knowledge of the UniverCD
certainly improves your chances of passing teh lab exam.
----- Original Message -----
From: "ccie2be" <ccie2be@nyc.rr.com>
To: "Richard Dumoulin" <Richard.Dumoulin@vanco.fr>; "Andy"
<AndyMrozek@yahoo.com>; "'Brian Dennis'" <bdennis@internetworkexpert.com>;
"'Group Study'" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 2:42 PM
Subject: Re: Quality of Cisco Documentation
> Richard, Brian, et al,
>
> Let me phrase the question a little differently.
>
> Do you think the documentation on just the Doc - CD is good enough that it
> could be your only source of information used to prepare for the lab?
>
> Let's assume you had thoroughly studied the doc-CD and knew it inside out,
> but that's all you studied. Do you think you could pass the lab?
>
> I rest my case.
>
> Tim
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Richard Dumoulin" <Richard.Dumoulin@vanco.fr>
> To: "Andy" <AndyMrozek@yahoo.com>; "'Brian Dennis'"
> <bdennis@internetworkexpert.com>; "'ccie2be'" <ccie2be@nyc.rr.com>;
"'Group
> Study'" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 3:55 PM
> Subject: RE: Quality of Cisco Documentation
>
>
> > Can you provide the links please? I am curious,
> >
> > -- Richard
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Andy [mailto:AndyMrozek@yahoo.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 9:47 PM
> > To: 'Brian Dennis'; Richard Dumoulin; 'ccie2be'; 'Group Study'
> > Subject: RE: Quality of Cisco Documentation
> >
> > Thank you for the links , and I believe it is safe to say that if you
see
> > /univercd within url that is is reachable ? I wasn't under the
impression
> > that we were speaking specifically in regards to internetworking
> companies.
> > The thread asked if there were any other comparisons of a company who
had
> > docs that may be deemed better when viewed from a technical written
> > perspective. I was just providing an example. Anytime I am looking up a
> > piece of info of how linux may work I simply know that go to redhat
first
> as
> > they always have clear concise articles even organized by build of
kernel.
> I
> > think docCD is great , but is there room for improvement ? I believe so.
> > Again thanks for the links..
> >
> > -Andy
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Brian Dennis [mailto:bdennis@internetworkexpert.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 12:42 PM
> > To: Andy; Richard Dumoulin; ccie2be; Group Study
> > Subject: RE: Quality of Cisco Documentation
> >
> > There are tons of good examples from the configuration guides on the
> > documentation CD.
> >
> > Configuring IP Multicast Routing
> >
>
http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/software/ios122/122cgcr/fipr
> > _c/ipcpt3/1cfmulti.htm
> >
> > Configuring BGP
> >
>
http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/software/ios122/122cgcr/fipr
> > _c/ipcprt2/1cfbgp.htm
> >
> > etc, etc, etc, etc
> >
> > You should also look at the "new feature" documentation:
> >
> >
>
http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/software/ios122/122newft/122
> > t/index.htm
> >
> > Not to mention all the design guides and troubleshooting information on
> the
> > CD:
> >
> > Internetwork Design Guide
> > http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/cisintwk/idg4/index.htm
> >
> > Internetwork Troubleshooting Handbook
> > http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/cisintwk/itg_v1/index.htm
> >
> > Internetworking Case Studies
> > http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/cisintwk/itg_v1/index.htm
> >
> > Internetworking Technology Handbook
> > http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/cisintwk/ito_doc/index.htm
> >
> > Lastly I would not put Redhat in the same category as Juniper, Cisco, or
> > Extreme as a networking equipment vendor ;-)
> >
> > Brian Dennis, CCIE #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security)
> > bdennis@internetworkexpert.com
> >
> > Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> > http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
> > Toll Free: 877-224-8987
> > Direct: 775-745-6404 (Outside the US and Canada)
> > ________________________________________
> > From: Andy [mailto:AndyMrozek@yahoo.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 12:26 PM
> > To: 'Richard Dumoulin'; Brian Dennis; 'ccie2be'; 'Group Study'
> > Subject: RE: Quality of Cisco Documentation
> >
> > But are they are available on the Web ??? That is key... Make sure the
> > section you are viewing are within the scope of the /univercd directory
> > base.... I am not saying that it is horrible by far... Brian just asked
if
> > someone has an example of something Thought better quality than cisco...
I
> > gave an example being Redhat.. So do you have some of these examples ???
> >
> > ________________________________________
> > From: Richard Dumoulin [mailto:Richard.Dumoulin@vanco.fr]
> > Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 12:22 PM
> > To: Andy; 'Brian Dennis'; 'ccie2be'; 'Group Study'
> > Subject: RE: Quality of Cisco Documentation
> >
> > Then you are missing the Cisco scenario based doc on the Web!
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Andy [mailto:AndyMrozek@yahoo.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 7:56 PM
> > To: 'Brian Dennis'; 'ccie2be'; 'Group Study'
> > Subject: RE: Quality of Cisco Documentation
> > I can REHAT LINUX by far .... Very detailed , scenario based easy to
read
> > docs... I look for scenario based examples , not just a command option1
> > option2 type thing , when you look at cisco command ref the guideline
> > section is very brief , some of them are fine but others leave you
> wondering
> >
> > ...
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > Brian Dennis
> > Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 10:50 AM
> > To: ccie2be; Group Study
> > Subject: RE: Quality of Cisco Documentation
> > Tim,
> > Can you give an example of another vendor that puts out a better
> > documentation CD?
> > Brian Dennis, CCIE #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security)
> > bdennis@internetworkexpert.com
> >
> > Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> > http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
> > Toll Free: 877-224-8987
> > Direct: 775-745-6404 (Outside the US and Canada)
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > ccie2be
> > Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 8:34 AM
> > To: Group Study
> > Subject: Quality of Cisco Documentation
> > Hi guys,
> > I'm just wondering how many people think like I do that Cisco
> > Documentation is
> > extremely poor
> > especially what's included on the Doc-CD?
> > Aside from complaining about how terrible it is, do you think there's
> > anything
> > that can be done that would make Cisco vastly improve the quality of
> > it's
> > documentation?
> >
> > Personally, I think Cisco should demand the same level of quality from
> > it's
> > documentation as it does for potential ccie's.
> > Can you imagine how good the documentation would be if the quality of
> > the
> > documentation had to be as high as the skills
> > needed to pass the ccie lab?
> > What's your opinion?
> > Tim
> > _______________________________________________________________________
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