From: Karl Young (kaelwyoung@netscape.net)
Date: Tue Dec 28 2004 - 13:57:57 GMT-3
Long,
You have every right to post for your company that is fine , I love Vietnam but I could not take up your offer because my Mortage alone is $1000.00 per month.My car payment is $389.92/ month , I have 2 kids that both attend school at $120.00 per month , I make $8000.00 / month in Washinton DC and I only have the Written.So you see why many authentic CCIEs will never take up your offer.It's not personal its just business .Sometimes all I do is install SoHo routers in a month but the pay is the same.I have to give ALL my money to my wife so the secondary incentive to come to Vietnam is not there for me. All I need is the money...Lots of it.
Regards,
Karl
"Nguyen Hoang Long" <ng-hlong@hn.vnn.vn> wrote:
>Ricardo is right,
>
>The two inherent reasons:
>1- play important roles in interesting projects. Several of CCIEs I know in
>countries around, they're really happy to come to Vietnam, just because they
>have chance to design, implement state-of-the-art networks. I guess not high
>% of CCIE in the world having chance to design/implement "million $ worth"
>networks.
>I witness some of CCIE in a developed country going to install Modem, NTU,
>or SOHO routers, which frankly I don't have chance to touch it for quite a
>long time ;-)
>
>2- take home most of your salary ( after daily expenses)
>
>Anyway, I posted this message is not for seeking a CCIE for my company, just
>because I know one company needs that, and I want to share that information
>here. I believe there's someone who's interested.
>
>Thanks for your comments.
>Regards,
>Long #11898
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Ricardo Silva" <ricardo.ferreira@quadcomm.com.br>
>To: "joshua lauer" <jslauer@hotmail.com>
>Cc: "Tony Schaffran" <groupstudy@cconlinelabs.com>; "'Richard Danu'"
><rdanu@apex3.com>; "'Hai Minh'" <minh@ipmac.com.vn>;
><ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 8:59 PM
>Subject: Re: OT: Re: CCIE hire in Vietnam
>
>
>> Guys,
>>
>> How do u think a developing country will become a developed country in the
>> future. They have to pave the way up to that level.... One of the most
>> exciting things in working in developing countries is that u can design a
>> nationwide IP network from the scratch. This is no longer possible even in
>> the most developed country in the world....
>>
>> joshua lauer escreveu:
>>
>>> Good point,
>>>
>>> I'm thinking there is another factor here other than money, maybe to help
>>> a developing country get back on it's feet is more valuable than
>>> money...Kinda like the reason why some doctors and surgeons work for free
>>> in those parts of the world..Personally, I would not prefer to work there
>>> but I know a few people with a humanitarian bug in them that might take a
>>> bite at such a deal, even for less money but only for a short time gig.
>>>
>>> jl
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Schaffran"
>>> <groupstudy@cconlinelabs.com>
>>> To: "'Richard Danu'" <rdanu@apex3.com>; "'Hai Minh'" <minh@ipmac.com.vn>;
>>> <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 9:25 AM
>>> Subject: RE: OT: Re: CCIE hire in Vietnam
>>>
>>>
>>>> You say the cost of living in Vietnam is low but why in the world would,
>>>> let's say, someone from the US making $10,000.00 a month want to move
>>>> half
>>>> way around the world to make $2,000.00 a month?
>>>>
>>>> What is the incentive? Throw us a bone here.
>>>>
>>>> Tony Schaffran
>>>> Network Analyst
>>>> CCIE #11071
>>>> CCNP, CCNA, CCDA,
>>>> NNCDS, NNCSS, CNE, MCSE
>>>>
>>>> www.cconlinelabs.com
>>>> Your #1 choice for online Cisco rack rentals.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>>>> Richard Danu
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 6:00 AM
>>>> To: 'Hai Minh'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
>>>> Subject: RE: OT: Re: CCIE hire in Vietnam
>>>>
>>>> How about CCIE making hamburgers in Vietnam?
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>>>> Hai
>>>> Minh
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 4:54 AM
>>>> To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
>>>> Subject: Re: OT: Re: CCIE hire in Vietnam
>>>>
>>>> What do you mean "degraded" ?
>>>> Do you want to say about the salary ?
>>>> How much does a hamburger cost in US ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Yasser Aly" <yaseraly00@yahoo.com>
>>>> To: "Nguyen Hoang Long" <ng-hlong@hn.vnn.vn>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 4:05 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: OT: Re: CCIE hire in Vietnam
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>
>>>>> Is the CCIE value degraded that much ??
>>>>>
>>>>> Accepting such rates means that CCIE value is degrading !!
>>>>>
>>>>> Just my openion.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Nguyen Hoang Long <ng-hlong@hn.vnn.vn> wrote:
>>>>> hi group,
>>>>> Sorry for unclear information, this vacancy is for valid CCIE ( not
>>>>> CCIE
>>>>> written)
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> Long
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nguyen Hoang Long"
>>>>> To:
>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 5:37 PM
>>>>> Subject: CCIE hide in Vietnam
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> > Hi group,
>>>>> >
>>>>> > There's a vacancy for CCIE in Vietnam ( either Hanoi capical or Ho
>>>>> chi
>>>>> > minh
>>>>> > city) in one of the key Cisco's SI.
>>>>> > The position is also very flexible, can be either post-sales or
>>>>> > consultant.
>>>>> > Salary : negotiate, around 1-2 K US (NET) plus incentive / month (
>>>>> note
>>>>> > that
>>>>> > daily expense, house rental in Vietnam is very cheap)
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Vietnam is in the infrastructure development phase, the number of
>>>>> > in-country
>>>>> > CCIE is only 10, that means CCIE has good chance to involve in
>>>>
>>>> interesting
>>>>
>>>>> > projects.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Anyone interested, send me an off-line e-mail.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Nguyen Hoang Long, #11898
>>>>> > ng-hlong@hn.vnn.vn
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
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