From: Larry Letterman (lletterm@cisco.com)
Date: Tue Dec 28 2004 - 13:54:48 GMT-3
Mr. Long makes good points..I dont think houses in RVN cost 600K like they
do in San Jose...However I'll add most of the engineers I work with in Cisco
do a bit more than set up linksys routers for home users...:)
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Larry Letterman
Cisco Systems
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Nguyen Hoang Long" <ng-hlong@hn.vnn.vn>
To: "Ricardo Silva" <ricardo.ferreira@quadcomm.com.br>
Cc: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: OT: Re: CCIE hire in Vietnam
> Ricardo is right,
>
> The two inherent reasons:
> 1- play important roles in interesting projects. Several of CCIEs I know
in
> countries around, they're really happy to come to Vietnam, just because
they
> have chance to design, implement state-of-the-art networks. I guess not
high
> % of CCIE in the world having chance to design/implement "million $ worth"
> networks.
> I witness some of CCIE in a developed country going to install Modem, NTU,
> or SOHO routers, which frankly I don't have chance to touch it for quite a
> long time ;-)
>
> 2- take home most of your salary ( after daily expenses)
>
> Anyway, I posted this message is not for seeking a CCIE for my company,
just
> because I know one company needs that, and I want to share that
information
> here. I believe there's someone who's interested.
>
> Thanks for your comments.
> Regards,
> Long #11898
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ricardo Silva" <ricardo.ferreira@quadcomm.com.br>
> To: "joshua lauer" <jslauer@hotmail.com>
> Cc: "Tony Schaffran" <groupstudy@cconlinelabs.com>; "'Richard Danu'"
> <rdanu@apex3.com>; "'Hai Minh'" <minh@ipmac.com.vn>;
> <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 8:59 PM
> Subject: Re: OT: Re: CCIE hire in Vietnam
>
>
> > Guys,
> >
> > How do u think a developing country will become a developed country in
the
> > future. They have to pave the way up to that level.... One of the most
> > exciting things in working in developing countries is that u can design
a
> > nationwide IP network from the scratch. This is no longer possible even
in
> > the most developed country in the world....
> >
> > joshua lauer escreveu:
> >
> >> Good point,
> >>
> >> I'm thinking there is another factor here other than money, maybe to
help
> >> a developing country get back on it's feet is more valuable than
> >> money...Kinda like the reason why some doctors and surgeons work for
free
> >> in those parts of the world..Personally, I would not prefer to work
there
> >> but I know a few people with a humanitarian bug in them that might take
a
> >> bite at such a deal, even for less money but only for a short time gig.
> >>
> >> jl
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Schaffran"
> >> <groupstudy@cconlinelabs.com>
> >> To: "'Richard Danu'" <rdanu@apex3.com>; "'Hai Minh'"
<minh@ipmac.com.vn>;
> >> <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 9:25 AM
> >> Subject: RE: OT: Re: CCIE hire in Vietnam
> >>
> >>
> >>> You say the cost of living in Vietnam is low but why in the world
would,
> >>> let's say, someone from the US making $10,000.00 a month want to move
> >>> half
> >>> way around the world to make $2,000.00 a month?
> >>>
> >>> What is the incentive? Throw us a bone here.
> >>>
> >>> Tony Schaffran
> >>> Network Analyst
> >>> CCIE #11071
> >>> CCNP, CCNA, CCDA,
> >>> NNCDS, NNCSS, CNE, MCSE
> >>>
> >>> www.cconlinelabs.com
> >>> Your #1 choice for online Cisco rack rentals.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
Of
> >>> Richard Danu
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 6:00 AM
> >>> To: 'Hai Minh'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> >>> Subject: RE: OT: Re: CCIE hire in Vietnam
> >>>
> >>> How about CCIE making hamburgers in Vietnam?
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
Of
> >>> Hai
> >>> Minh
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 4:54 AM
> >>> To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> >>> Subject: Re: OT: Re: CCIE hire in Vietnam
> >>>
> >>> What do you mean "degraded" ?
> >>> Do you want to say about the salary ?
> >>> How much does a hamburger cost in US ?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Yasser Aly" <yaseraly00@yahoo.com>
> >>> To: "Nguyen Hoang Long" <ng-hlong@hn.vnn.vn>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 4:05 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: OT: Re: CCIE hire in Vietnam
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Hello,
> >>>>
> >>>> Is the CCIE value degraded that much ??
> >>>>
> >>>> Accepting such rates means that CCIE value is degrading !!
> >>>>
> >>>> Just my openion.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Nguyen Hoang Long <ng-hlong@hn.vnn.vn> wrote:
> >>>> hi group,
> >>>> Sorry for unclear information, this vacancy is for valid CCIE ( not
> >>>> CCIE
> >>>> written)
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks
> >>>> Long
> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nguyen Hoang Long"
> >>>> To:
> >>>> Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 5:37 PM
> >>>> Subject: CCIE hide in Vietnam
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> > Hi group,
> >>>> >
> >>>> > There's a vacancy for CCIE in Vietnam ( either Hanoi capical or Ho
> >>>> chi
> >>>> > minh
> >>>> > city) in one of the key Cisco's SI.
> >>>> > The position is also very flexible, can be either post-sales or
> >>>> > consultant.
> >>>> > Salary : negotiate, around 1-2 K US (NET) plus incentive / month (
> >>>> note
> >>>> > that
> >>>> > daily expense, house rental in Vietnam is very cheap)
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Vietnam is in the infrastructure development phase, the number of
> >>>> > in-country
> >>>> > CCIE is only 10, that means CCIE has good chance to involve in
> >>>
> >>> interesting
> >>>
> >>>> > projects.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Anyone interested, send me an off-line e-mail.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Nguyen Hoang Long, #11898
> >>>> > ng-hlong@hn.vnn.vn
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>>
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