From: Elliott Reyes (elliottreyes@adelphia.net)
Date: Mon Nov 29 2004 - 11:33:29 GMT-3
That's exactly what I'm using them for. You could also use them for
redistribution labs etc...
Elliott
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Grant Stevenson
Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 6:24 PM
To: ccielab@groupstudy.com; 'lab'; 'Keane, James'; 'Koen Peetermans';
swm@emanon.com; John Matus
Subject: RE: home labs - obsolete 2500's
Hi John,
Basically yes, I would use the 2500's as bacbone, and Terminal server. It is
what I am doing at the moment, as I cannot afford to stick a 2600 in just to
inject routes :) I am usinf 2600's as the main 6 due to the fact I am using
the Brian's IEWB-RS, and found it mentatlly easier to approach the topics
using the boxes they designed their labs on. It helped me as I had the
right box/right IOS, stops you going off on a tangent when what you suposed
to be configuring was not getting screwed around by dicky IOS Etc.
So I thought it was worth the expense as they are now coming down in price.
The most expensive item's on your shopping list are going to be teh 3550 EMI
switches. That is normally the killer, so if you beg/borrow/steal them from
work/friend I would suggeest it.
HTH Grant
PS, Anyone in Brusels on 9th Dec?
-----Original Message-----
From: John Matus [mailto:jmatus@pacbell.net]
Sent: 28 November 2004 01:35
To: swm@emanon.com; 'Koen Peetermans'; 'Grant Stevenson'; 'Keane,
James'; 'lab'
Subject: Re: home labs - obsolete 2500's
so you could conceivably buy a 2610 and install 2 serial and 2 ethernet, or
whatever combo you like?
Regards,
John D. Matus
MCSE, CCNP
Office: 818-782-2061
Cell: 818-430-8372
jmatus@pacbell.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Morris" <swm@emanon.com>
To: "'John Matus'" <jmatus@pacbell.net>; "'Koen Peetermans'"
<K.Peetermans@chello.be>; "'Grant Stevenson'"
<grant.h.stevenson@virgin.net>; "'Keane, James'"
<James.Keane@agriculture.gov.ie>; "'lab'" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2004 5:29 PM
Subject: RE: home labs - obsolete 2500's
> The WIC-1T is a DB60 still.... But yes, you need to purchase your
> interfaces separately!
>
>
> Scott Morris, MCSE, CCDP, CCIE4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider)
> #4713, JNCIP, CCNA-WAN Switching, CCSP, Cable Communications Specialist,
> IP
> Telephony Support Specialist, IP Telephony Design Specialist, CISSP
> CCSI #21903
> swm@emanon.com
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Matus [mailto:jmatus@pacbell.net]
> Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2004 7:59 PM
> To: swm@emanon.com; 'Koen Peetermans'; 'Grant Stevenson'; 'Keane, James';
> 'lab'
> Subject: Re: home labs - obsolete 2500's
>
> so what i gather from all this is i could use the 2500's for backbones,
> terminal server, and frame switch but the 6 main routers (for
> ipexpert/internetwork expert/netmasterclass) would need to be of the 2600
> series.....? i looked on ebay and was a bit confused about the 2600's.i
> guess they use wics instead of the built in serial ports like the 2500,
> and
> the actual serial port seems to be of a different type.....is that
> correct?
>
>
> Regards,
>
> John D. Matus
> MCSE, CCNP
> Office: 818-782-2061
> Cell: 818-430-8372
> jmatus@pacbell.net
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Scott Morris" <swm@emanon.com>
> To: "'Koen Peetermans'" <K.Peetermans@chello.be>; "'Grant Stevenson'"
> <grant.h.stevenson@virgin.net>; "'Keane, James'"
> <James.Keane@agriculture.gov.ie>; "'John Matus'" <jmatus@pacbell.net>;
> "'lab'" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2004 4:49 PM
> Subject: RE: home labs - obsolete 2500's
>
>
>> Hehehe... It's a really old box. CommServ series with 16 RJ-45 async
>> ports. Great for a terminal server :) Runs up to IOS 10.3 if memory
>> serves! The good old days!
>>
>> I haven't played with an ISR yet, but GSRs and CSRs are a lot of fun!
>> (different ballgame, but I was just playing with the acronym letters)
>> The 28xx and 38xx will run MPLS. The image will be called "Advanced
> Services"
>> now instead of the old enterprise release.
>>
>> Feature Navigator has its moments, but overall is at least good for an
>> overview of things! Otherwise it's just tftp download, reload and see
>> what happens!
>>
>> Scott
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
>> Of Koen Peetermans
>> Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2004 5:12 PM
>> To: 'Scott Morris'; 'Grant Stevenson'; 'Keane, James'; 'John Matus';
>> 'lab'
>> Subject: RE: home labs - obsolete 2500's
>>
>> Scott,
>>
>> I can't resist : What in God's name is a CS-516 ? Looks like I'm not
>> *that*
>> old after all ;-)
>>
>> Have you been playing with the ISR's already ? Feature wise, wouldn't
>> a 28xx run most the stuff a 38xx runs ? MPLS ? I don't dare to trust
>> Feature Navigator anymore, it keeps on biting me in the b*tt :-) Ouch.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Koen.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
>> Of Scott Morris
>> Sent: zaterdag 27 november 2004 23:02
>> To: 'Grant Stevenson'; 'Koen Peetermans'; 'Keane, James'; 'John
>> Matus'; 'lab'
>> Subject: RE: home labs - obsolete 2500's
>>
>> Even with the 2610's things are difficult. 2610's don't have a
>> T-train release, for example that supports any DES/IPSec stuff and
>> ISIS on the same image. The XMs will. As we move along in some of
>> the configs, I think we'll see migration more into the 37xx and 38xx
>> line.
>>
>> But still no reason to chuck these things... As mentioned, they make
>> great frame switches and terminal servers. Hell, even the REALLY old
>> CS-516 makes a great term server!
>>
>> They can still serve a great purpose on backbones to inject things as
>> well!
>> Just watch your labs and what you are trying to do at each point.
>> Remember
>> that while it may be really cool to have a lab of the brand new stuff
>> in every router, it's also really expensive!
>>
>> Most topics only require 2 routers to really see how they work anyway!
>> So stragically place your newer routers and play with the new stuff
>> there.
>>
>> HTH,
>>
>>
>> Scott Morris, MCSE, CCDP, CCIE4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service
>> Provider) #4713, JNCIP, CCNA-WAN Switching, CCSP, Cable Communications
>> Specialist, IP Telephony Support Specialist, IP Telephony Design
>> Specialist, CISSP CCSI
>> #21903 swm@emanon.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
>> Of Grant Stevenson
>> Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2004 12:08 PM
>> To: Koen Peetermans; 'Keane, James'; 'John Matus'; 'lab'
>> Subject: RE: home labs - obsolete 2500's
>>
>> The biggest problem you will have is when you need to run ISIS, and
>> say MQS.
>> You will need to load certain version for one, and the other won't work.
>> I had this issue while studying Brian's IEWB_RS stuff.
>> I suggest the lowest end router you get is a 2610. At least you have
>> some flexibility and upgrade path.
>>
>> On the plus side, if you can live with the limitations, their bloody
>> cheap
>> :-)
>>
>> I know have 12 of them that are obsolete, and not worth selling as it
>> will cost me more to post them that what they are now worth on ebay.
>>
>>
>> Good luck
>>
>> PS, I upgraded for one reason, when I wanted to study, I got really
>> annoyed that what was expected was not happening, and this hindered my
>> study.
>>
>> AS the Lab cost you a ?1000 a shot, you might as well bite the bullet
>> and buy the kit.
>> Once you pass you can always reseel it on ebay (if its worth much when
>> your
>> done!)
>>
>>
>> Regards Grant
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of
>> Koen Peetermans
>> Sent: 27 November 2004 15:46
>> To: 'Keane, James'; 'John Matus'; 'lab'
>> Subject: RE: home labs - obsolete 2500's
>>
>>
>> Indeed; Don't throw them away just yet; apart from using them as a
>> frame-relay switch (eventually combine the frame-relay switching and
>> Backbone route generator in one box), a 2511 will just do nicely as
>> terminal
>> server (also possible to combine it as being a backbone router).
>> As a route generator, 12.2 Release Enterprise will do just fine, no 12.2T
>> needed.
>>
>> It's true that you will no be able to get all features on a 2500, but if
>> you
>> know ALL the features possible on a 2500 you'd already be an expert.
>>
>> 80% of the knowledge needed can be trained on a 2500, for the other 20%
>> get
>> one or two 2600(XM's), or hire a remote lab for some days.
>>
>> If you don't want to throw all your money out of the window, get low-end,
>> low-cost material at home (so you can train whenever you want), and get
>> sessions on remote racks for stuff like ATM.
>>
>> For example, I invested in voice stuff before my lab, only to have come
>> to
>> the conclusion afterwards I'd been much better (cheaper) off practicing
>> for
>> a couple of days on a remote lab.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Koen.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>> Keane, James
>> Sent: zaterdag 27 november 2004 16:06
>> To: John Matus; groupstudy@cconlinelabs.com; lab
>> Subject: RE: home labs - obsolete 2500's
>>
>> On the up side -
>>
>> I have used 3 2504's that were due for destruction and linked them with a
>> Cabletron hub (similar fate).
>> I brought them home and made a frame relay compound switch which gives 2
>> frame relay clouds and three interfaces per cloud.
>> Of course you need to get a few back to back cables and black boxes (6 in
>> total)
>>
>> My configuration was adapted from the internetworkexpert white paper
>> (which
>> uses a 2501 and 2520)
>> http://www.internetworkexpert.com/resources/compound.frame-relay.htm
>> (well
>> done Brian Dennis & co)
>>
>> So don't chuck those 2500's just yet !
>>
>>
>> James Keane
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: John Matus [mailto:jmatus@pacbell.net]
>> Sent: 27 November 2004 04:08
>> To: groupstudy@cconlinelabs.com; 'lab'
>> Subject: Re: home labs
>>
>>
>> are you sure about that tony?
>>
>> Cisco Internetwork Operating System Software IOS (tm) 2500 Software
>> (C2500-IS-L), Version 12.2(15)T9, RELEASE SOFTWARE
>> (fc2)
>>
>> is the T9 a "T" version?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> John D. Matus
>> MCSE, CCNP
>> Office: 818-782-2061
>> Cell: 818-430-8372
>> jmatus@pacbell.net
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Tony Schaffran" <groupstudy@cconlinelabs.com>
>> To: "'John Matus'" <jmatus@pacbell.net>; "'lab'" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>> Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 7:55 PM
>> Subject: RE: home labs
>>
>>
>> Actually, the 2500's are pretty much obsolete now. There is not a 12.2T
>> Enterprise for the 2500.
>>
>> Tony Schaffran
>> Network Analyst
>> CCIE #11071
>> CCNP, CCNA, CCDA,
>> NNCDS, NNCSS, CNE, MCSE
>>
>> www.cconlinelabs.com
>> Your #1 choice for online Cisco rack rentals.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>> John
>> Matus
>> Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 7:09 PM
>> To: lab
>> Subject: home labs
>>
>> i'm thinking of scraping together a home lab. i know that for the 2500
>> series routers you neet 16/16 ram to accomodate the enterprise ios. does
>> anyone know if there are any limitations to the 2500's as far as the
>> enterprise images are concerned? is there the possibility that the
>> 2500's
>> may not be supported in the next couple of image releases?
>>
>> thanks in advance!!!
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> John D. Matus
>> MCSE, CCNP
>> Office: 818-782-2061
>> Cell: 818-430-8372
>> jmatus@pacbell.net
>>
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