From: Phil (theccie@gmail.com)
Date: Thu Nov 18 2004 - 16:54:28 GMT-3
Chuck,
I absolutely agree. I have my R&S and Service Provider IEs already, so
I am focusing in the security topics from the online CD as a
pre-preparation for the lab. I have my own pod of routers, switches,
PIX, VPN Concentrator and I have built a "pseudo-FrankenIDS" sensor (I
used an old Netranger box which I upgraded the memory to 512MB and
installed v4.1 - don't get too happy, you still need the v4.1 CD and
also tweak some unix files to make it work) just to get the feeling. I
work with the VPN Concentrators already but not with the PIX or IDS,
so it is just a lot of fun playing with all these "toys".
After all the reading and playing the real thing will start, like 5
hours every night and at least 12 hours on Saturdays and Sundays for
several months (I am not lucky enough to work for a company that will
allow me to study during work hours) then about 30/40 days between
attempts to keep the pace (make sure you have enough cash stashed, for
me it will be until the 3rd attempt - 4th if I convince my boss to
pass the test I pass).
Have fun!
Phil
On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 08:33:20 -0600, Church, Chuck <cchurch@netcogov.com> wrote:
> I hope you guys aren't planning on tackling the lab after just reading
> manuals. Hand on experience with the various devices is absolutely
> necessary. You don't want the lab to be a learning experience on the
> various CLIs. There's not enough time. Seeing as how you can find
> 2500s for under $100 at many garage sales (or Ebay :), there no reason
> not to have 2 or 3 to test out oddball scenarios that are keeping you
> from sleeping...
>
> Chuck Church
> Lead Design Engineer
> CCIE #8776, MCNE, MCSE
> Netco Government Services - Design & Implementation
> 1210 N. Parker Rd.
> Greenville, SC 29609
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>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> John Matus
> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 2:07 AM
> To: Phil; Brian Dennis
> Cc: lab
> Subject: Re: got spanked on second attempt
>
> good point phil, i wasn't aware that there was such a reference. i guess
> you
> learn something new every day.
>
> Regards,
>
> John D. Matus
> MCSE, CCNP
> Office: 818-782-2061
> Cell: 818-430-8372
> jmatus@pacbell.net
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Phil" <theccie@gmail.com>
> To: "Brian Dennis" <bdennis@internetworkexpert.com>
> Cc: "John Matus" <jmatus@pacbell.net>; "lab" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 10:31 PM
> Subject: Re: got spanked on second attempt
>
> > John,
> >
> > I disagree. I am preparing for my Security lab. The first thing I did
> > after I passed the written was to order a hard copy of the Cisco IOS
> > Security Configuration Guide and Command Reference, Release 12.2:
> >
> >
> http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/software/ios122/122cgcr/
> fsecur_c/index.htm
> >
> >
> http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/software/ios122/122cgcr/
> fsecur_r/index.htm
> >
> > Which are in the Online CD. After reading those I will read the PIX
> > 6.3, IDS 4.1 and VPN 4.1 Configuration Guides as well (no hardcopies
> > though). Super extra boring reading but, nevertheless, must reads in
> > my opinion. Sure enough I will never remember all the commands but,
> > most important, I will have some information about the commands
> > descriptions memorized and hopefully during the lab it will come back
> > should the weird questions arise. After I am done with all this
> > reading I will begin with the good fun labs.
> >
> > Good luck on your next attempt and remember: you only need to know 80%
> > of what they are asking in the lab!
> >
> > Phil
> >
> > On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 01:00:13 -0500, Brian Dennis
> > <bdennis@internetworkexpert.com> wrote:
> >> John,
> >> Did you read the books on Cisco's recommended reading list?
> >>
> >> http://www.cisco.com/en/US/learning/le3/ccie/rs/book_list.html
> >>
> >> If so you would have run across the nagle algorithm. Issues
> >> with buffering keystrokes in a telnet session and mouse movements
> with
> >> XWindows is referenced in a couple of the books from the recommended
> >> reading list.
> >>
> >> As a side note reading books like "Internetworking with
> TCP/IP"
> >> by Comer or "TCP/IP Illustrated: Volume 1" by Stevens which are on
> the
> >> recommended reading list would make answering a question like that
> very
> >> easy. I personally have every edition of both of these books. I
> would
> >> consider them a must read along with "Interconnections: Bridges &
> >> Routers" by Perlman. No one can truly call themselves an IE
> >> (internetwork expert) without reading these books or at a minimum
> have
> >> them on their bookshelves ;-)
> >>
> >> Another one that you might consider reading is called "The
> >> Internet and Its Protocols" by Adrian Farrel. I'm currently reading
> it
> >> myself.
> >>
> >> Brian Dennis, CCIE #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security)
> >> bdennis@internetworkexpert.com
> >>
> >> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> >> http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
> >> Toll Free: 877-224-8987
> >> Direct: 775-745-6404 (Outside the US and Canada)
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of
> >> John Matus
> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 9:25 PM
> >> To: none; 'lab'
> >> Subject: Re: got spanked on second attempt
> >>
> >> thanks for the advice.
> >> i think at this point i'm pretty up on the theory and whatnot behind
> >> each of
> >> the core topics. unfortunately, to give an illustrative example, if
> you
> >>
> >> have never seen the command 'service nagle', you won't know what to
> do
> >> if a
> >> question comes up about buffering telnet keystrokes <or something
> like
> >> that>, it's just raw experience of seeing the command and knowing
> what
> >> it
> >> does.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> John D. Matus
> >> MCSE, CCNP
> >> Office: 818-782-2061
> >> Cell: 818-430-8372
> >> jmatus@pacbell.net
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "none" <alsontra@hotmail.com>
> >> To: "'John Matus'" <jmatus@pacbell.net>; "'lab'"
> >> <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 9:10 PM
> >> Subject: RE: got spanked on second attempt
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Hi John Matus,
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > That's the way the test goes... Keep your mind in the game and
> don't
> >> let
> >> > too many days go by before you re-engage. One additional comment
> >> > regarding
> >> > the following statement:
> >> >
> >> > "new lab vendor (brians', your labs are great, but i've memorized
> them
> >> at
> >> > this point) and keep shooting for the stars....."
> >> >
> >> > At some point you're bound to have this problem. I suggest that
> you
> >> dig
> >> > into each topic covered in the labs and or the CCIE blueprint.
> Re-read
> >> > explanations, you'll often find that there are subtle details that
> >> will
> >> > lead
> >> > you to greater understandings. And don't stop there... IE has
> posted
> >> CCO
> >> > links to all of the topics covered in their labs.
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> (http://www.internetworkexpert.com/resources/iewb-rs-further-reading.htm
> >> )
> >> >
> >> > After you complete a section, try and master the technology.
> >> > CCO/GS/WB/RFC/etc, be overly prepared. You might also check out the
> IE
> >> > technology labs. I've just recently started using them, and
> >> personally I
> >> > think there awesome.
> >> >
> >> > My next step is upgrading the IE workbook. I'm told there's some
> new
> >> > content
> >> > and support for IPv6. You might want to check them out if you
> hungry
> >> for
> >> > new
> >> > material...
> >> >
> >> > You only fail if you quit trying...
> >> >
> >> > ;-)
> >> >
> >> > 0.02
> >> > Alsontra
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
> Behalf
> >> Of
> >> > John
> >> > Matus
> >> > Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 3:31 PM
> >> > To: lab
> >> > Subject: got spanked on second attempt
> >> >
> >> > hi all,
> >> > well, i failed my first attempt with dignity, but got seriously
> >> spanked on
> >> > my
> >> > second attempt yesterday in san jose. i believe there were a
> number
> >> of
> >> > factors leading to my failure.
> >> >
> >> > i was lucky enuf to get a lab date 6 weeks after my first attempt -
> >> > someone
> >> > dropped and i just happened to be in the right place at the right
> >> time.
> >> > unfortunately, i was unable to book online rack time because the
> >> vendors
> >> > tend
> >> > to be booked a month in advance so my studying was limited to
> writing
> >> out
> >> > the
> >> > configs on paper and checking the solution guide <internetwork
> >> expert>.
> >> > because of the 6 weeks without actual hands-on practice, i got a
> bit
> >> > rusty
> >> > w/
> >> > regard to some particular subtle nuances in a few areas and wasted
> >> about
> >> > 3-4
> >> > hours on tasks that should have only taken me about 1/2 hour. man
> was
> >>
> >> > this
> >> > frustrating. that was coupled with some really off the wall
> questions
> >>
> >> > that
> >> > were throw at me that i had never seen before and had absolutely no
> >> idea
> >> > how
> >> > to possible solve them.
> >> >
> >> > it became apparent 2/3 thru the test that i wasn't going to pass so
> i
> >> just
> >> > took a deep breath and decided to no give up and to see if i could
> >> solve
> >> > the
> >> > problems that i was having so at least i could leave with a shred
> of
> >> > dignity.
> >> > ultimately i was able to fix my blunders but that left absolutely
> no
> >> time
> >> > to
> >> > try and attempt the questions that were really 'over-the-top'.
> >> >
> >> > in the end, i just had 'one-of-those-days' and 'one-of-those-labs'.
> >> as
> >> > they
> >> > say, we endorse for the efforts and not for the results (if you
> want
> >> to
> >> > keep
> >> > your mental health anyways). i think my new strategy is going to
> be
> >> to
> >> > get
> >> > some consistent racktime and try a new lab vendor (brians', your
> labs
> >> are
> >> > great, but i've memorized them at this point) and keep shooting for
> >> the
> >> > stars.....
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Regards,
> >> >
> >> > John D. Matus
> >> > MCSE, CCNP
> >> > Office: 818-782-2061
> >> > Cell: 818-430-8372
> >> > jmatus@pacbell.net
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
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