From: Church, Chuck (cchurch@netcogov.com)
Date: Thu Nov 18 2004 - 11:33:20 GMT-3
I hope you guys aren't planning on tackling the lab after just reading
manuals. Hand on experience with the various devices is absolutely
necessary. You don't want the lab to be a learning experience on the
various CLIs. There's not enough time. Seeing as how you can find
2500s for under $100 at many garage sales (or Ebay :), there no reason
not to have 2 or 3 to test out oddball scenarios that are keeping you
from sleeping...
Chuck Church
Lead Design Engineer
CCIE #8776, MCNE, MCSE
Netco Government Services - Design & Implementation
1210 N. Parker Rd.
Greenville, SC 29609
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Cell: 703-819-3495
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-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
John Matus
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 2:07 AM
To: Phil; Brian Dennis
Cc: lab
Subject: Re: got spanked on second attempt
good point phil, i wasn't aware that there was such a reference. i guess
you
learn something new every day.
Regards,
John D. Matus
MCSE, CCNP
Office: 818-782-2061
Cell: 818-430-8372
jmatus@pacbell.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Phil" <theccie@gmail.com>
To: "Brian Dennis" <bdennis@internetworkexpert.com>
Cc: "John Matus" <jmatus@pacbell.net>; "lab" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 10:31 PM
Subject: Re: got spanked on second attempt
> John,
>
> I disagree. I am preparing for my Security lab. The first thing I did
> after I passed the written was to order a hard copy of the Cisco IOS
> Security Configuration Guide and Command Reference, Release 12.2:
>
>
http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/software/ios122/122cgcr/
fsecur_c/index.htm
>
>
http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/software/ios122/122cgcr/
fsecur_r/index.htm
>
> Which are in the Online CD. After reading those I will read the PIX
> 6.3, IDS 4.1 and VPN 4.1 Configuration Guides as well (no hardcopies
> though). Super extra boring reading but, nevertheless, must reads in
> my opinion. Sure enough I will never remember all the commands but,
> most important, I will have some information about the commands
> descriptions memorized and hopefully during the lab it will come back
> should the weird questions arise. After I am done with all this
> reading I will begin with the good fun labs.
>
> Good luck on your next attempt and remember: you only need to know 80%
> of what they are asking in the lab!
>
> Phil
>
> On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 01:00:13 -0500, Brian Dennis
> <bdennis@internetworkexpert.com> wrote:
>> John,
>> Did you read the books on Cisco's recommended reading list?
>>
>> http://www.cisco.com/en/US/learning/le3/ccie/rs/book_list.html
>>
>> If so you would have run across the nagle algorithm. Issues
>> with buffering keystrokes in a telnet session and mouse movements
with
>> XWindows is referenced in a couple of the books from the recommended
>> reading list.
>>
>> As a side note reading books like "Internetworking with
TCP/IP"
>> by Comer or "TCP/IP Illustrated: Volume 1" by Stevens which are on
the
>> recommended reading list would make answering a question like that
very
>> easy. I personally have every edition of both of these books. I
would
>> consider them a must read along with "Interconnections: Bridges &
>> Routers" by Perlman. No one can truly call themselves an IE
>> (internetwork expert) without reading these books or at a minimum
have
>> them on their bookshelves ;-)
>>
>> Another one that you might consider reading is called "The
>> Internet and Its Protocols" by Adrian Farrel. I'm currently reading
it
>> myself.
>>
>> Brian Dennis, CCIE #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security)
>> bdennis@internetworkexpert.com
>>
>> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>> http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
>> Toll Free: 877-224-8987
>> Direct: 775-745-6404 (Outside the US and Canada)
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
Of
>> John Matus
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 9:25 PM
>> To: none; 'lab'
>> Subject: Re: got spanked on second attempt
>>
>> thanks for the advice.
>> i think at this point i'm pretty up on the theory and whatnot behind
>> each of
>> the core topics. unfortunately, to give an illustrative example, if
you
>>
>> have never seen the command 'service nagle', you won't know what to
do
>> if a
>> question comes up about buffering telnet keystrokes <or something
like
>> that>, it's just raw experience of seeing the command and knowing
what
>> it
>> does.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> John D. Matus
>> MCSE, CCNP
>> Office: 818-782-2061
>> Cell: 818-430-8372
>> jmatus@pacbell.net
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "none" <alsontra@hotmail.com>
>> To: "'John Matus'" <jmatus@pacbell.net>; "'lab'"
>> <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 9:10 PM
>> Subject: RE: got spanked on second attempt
>>
>> >
>> > Hi John Matus,
>> >
>> >
>> > That's the way the test goes... Keep your mind in the game and
don't
>> let
>> > too many days go by before you re-engage. One additional comment
>> > regarding
>> > the following statement:
>> >
>> > "new lab vendor (brians', your labs are great, but i've memorized
them
>> at
>> > this point) and keep shooting for the stars....."
>> >
>> > At some point you're bound to have this problem. I suggest that
you
>> dig
>> > into each topic covered in the labs and or the CCIE blueprint.
Re-read
>> > explanations, you'll often find that there are subtle details that
>> will
>> > lead
>> > you to greater understandings. And don't stop there... IE has
posted
>> CCO
>> > links to all of the topics covered in their labs.
>> >
>> >
>>
(http://www.internetworkexpert.com/resources/iewb-rs-further-reading.htm
>> )
>> >
>> > After you complete a section, try and master the technology.
>> > CCO/GS/WB/RFC/etc, be overly prepared. You might also check out the
IE
>> > technology labs. I've just recently started using them, and
>> personally I
>> > think there awesome.
>> >
>> > My next step is upgrading the IE workbook. I'm told there's some
new
>> > content
>> > and support for IPv6. You might want to check them out if you
hungry
>> for
>> > new
>> > material...
>> >
>> > You only fail if you quit trying...
>> >
>> > ;-)
>> >
>> > 0.02
>> > Alsontra
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
Behalf
>> Of
>> > John
>> > Matus
>> > Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 3:31 PM
>> > To: lab
>> > Subject: got spanked on second attempt
>> >
>> > hi all,
>> > well, i failed my first attempt with dignity, but got seriously
>> spanked on
>> > my
>> > second attempt yesterday in san jose. i believe there were a
number
>> of
>> > factors leading to my failure.
>> >
>> > i was lucky enuf to get a lab date 6 weeks after my first attempt -
>> > someone
>> > dropped and i just happened to be in the right place at the right
>> time.
>> > unfortunately, i was unable to book online rack time because the
>> vendors
>> > tend
>> > to be booked a month in advance so my studying was limited to
writing
>> out
>> > the
>> > configs on paper and checking the solution guide <internetwork
>> expert>.
>> > because of the 6 weeks without actual hands-on practice, i got a
bit
>> > rusty
>> > w/
>> > regard to some particular subtle nuances in a few areas and wasted
>> about
>> > 3-4
>> > hours on tasks that should have only taken me about 1/2 hour. man
was
>>
>> > this
>> > frustrating. that was coupled with some really off the wall
questions
>>
>> > that
>> > were throw at me that i had never seen before and had absolutely no
>> idea
>> > how
>> > to possible solve them.
>> >
>> > it became apparent 2/3 thru the test that i wasn't going to pass so
i
>> just
>> > took a deep breath and decided to no give up and to see if i could
>> solve
>> > the
>> > problems that i was having so at least i could leave with a shred
of
>> > dignity.
>> > ultimately i was able to fix my blunders but that left absolutely
no
>> time
>> > to
>> > try and attempt the questions that were really 'over-the-top'.
>> >
>> > in the end, i just had 'one-of-those-days' and 'one-of-those-labs'.
>> as
>> > they
>> > say, we endorse for the efforts and not for the results (if you
want
>> to
>> > keep
>> > your mental health anyways). i think my new strategy is going to
be
>> to
>> > get
>> > some consistent racktime and try a new lab vendor (brians', your
labs
>> are
>> > great, but i've memorized them at this point) and keep shooting for
>> the
>> > stars.....
>> >
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> > John D. Matus
>> > MCSE, CCNP
>> > Office: 818-782-2061
>> > Cell: 818-430-8372
>> > jmatus@pacbell.net
>> >
>> >
>>
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