From: joshua lauer (jslauer@hotmail.com)
Date: Sat Nov 13 2004 - 15:09:44 GMT-3
I'm been on this group for a short time and have sampled many different
products from many vendors...
I would have to disagree with David here, The product from Internetwork
expert seems to be a subscription based service...
Like a magazine subscription, do you get the whole years worth at one shot?
No you dont...Ya gotta wait for it, it hasnt been written yet :)
If you want a bunch of scenarios at once you purchase a workbook, there are
several really good ones out there, each with varying levels
of difficulty. If I had the money I would buy all of them :) I would call
InternetworkExperts product about as close to "vaporware" as the Time
Magazine I get each week in the mail. I think the product
they are offering seems like it's a good thing and looks like it can help
you pin-point problem areas vice doing a whole multiprotocol lab.
I'm all for companies releasing new materials, I dont mind giving them my
money if they provide me the variety I need to keep me thinking....IPEXPERT,
NMC and INTERNETWORK
EXPERT have all recieved my money...and I have to say it's ALL been well
spent....keep those products coming guys!
josh
Joshua Lauer
RHCE, CCNA, CCDA, CCNP, CCSP,INFOSEC
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Morris" <swm@emanon.com>
To: "'David Sloan'" <jadin_321@hotmail.com>;
<bmcgahan@internetworkexpert.com>; <ccie2be@nyc.rr.com>
Cc: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 4:39 AM
Subject: RE: Internetwork Expert and VaporWare
> Well...
>
> I can validate the fact that I haven't got a clue who you are either way.
> :) Does that help?
>
> Scott
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> David Sloan
> Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 8:58 PM
> To: bmcgahan@internetworkexpert.com; ccie2be@nyc.rr.com
> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: Internetwork Expert and VaporWare
>
> I am not the same person listed as below (I'm sure Scott can tell you
> that).
>
> I just want to inform everyone who is thinking of making a purchase that
> they may not be getting what they believe they are. It's very misleading
> to
> mention BGP in the first few sentences of your product's description and
> have BGP completely absent from the product.
>
> My other claim is most of the subjects listed under each of the catagories
> is not available yet, which is true. Only OSPF is available in the
> routing
> protocols and only DLSW and QOS is available in the QOS/Security subjects.
> Which makes my claim absolutely true, more than half (most) of the
> subjects
> aren't available yet.
>
> If this doesn't fit the definition of VaporWare it's certainly close.
>
> I'm sorry if I appear to be attacking your company, but I want to make
> sure
> that everyone in this group knows what they're getting when they make a
> purchase.
>
> On the otherside, I would never criticize your lab book as I believe it is
> the best and you've done an amazing job of transitioning to ipv6 and the
> removal of VOIP where the others have yet to do much.
>
>
>>From: "Brian McGahan" <bmcgahan@internetworkexpert.com>
>>To: "David Sloan" <jadin_321@hotmail.com>,<ccie2be@nyc.rr.com>
>>CC: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>>Subject: RE: Internetwork Expert and VaporWare
>>Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 20:41:11 -0500
>>
>>Hi David,
>>
>> I see that the subscription you're logging in to the technologies
> lab
>>with is not registered under your name, nor have you ever been a
>>customer of Internetwork Expert. Furthermore, the only reference I can
>>see to a "David Sloan" on groupstudy is the following
>>post:
>>
>>http://www.groupstudy.com/archives/ccielab/200211/msg00503.html
>>
>>David A. Sloan
>>President, IPexpert.net
>>CCIE #6976, CCSI #21666 (Rt.)
>>
>> Is this you David, or am I mistaken? I find it odd that instead of
>>contacting Internetwork Expert directly for any legitimate product
>>related questions you instead choose to slander us on a public mailing
>>list.
>>
>> For those of you wondering about the legitimacy of this claim, yes
> it
>>is true the lab series is not complete. However, the idea of this new
>>format we're delivering the content in is that instead of waiting
>>months for a new product to be released, we are offering this series on
>>a subscription basis that costs about $12 per month.
>>
>> This way we can continue development on the series indefinitely and
> it
>>will never become obsolete. In other words the series will NEVER be
>>complete. I have personally been posting the labs in this series every
>>day since its release about two weeks ago. There are currently over 75
>>labs in the series, such as:
>>
>>Understanding Layer 2 Access Switchports Understanding ISL Trunk Ports
>>Understanding 802.1q Trunk Ports Understanding 802.1q Trunk Ports and
>>the Native VLAN Configuring Trunk Ports without DTP Router-on-a-Stick
>>Router-on-a-Stick and the Native VLAN EtherChannel EtherChannel - PAgP
>>EtherChannel - PagP Auto EtherChannel - LACP EtherChannel - LACP
>>Passive EtherChannel - Layer 3 Frame-Relay Inverse-ARP Frame-Relay
>>Static Mapping 1 Frame-Relay Inverse-ARP & Static Mappings Frame-Relay
>>Multipoint Interfaces: Inverse-ARP Frame-Relay Multipoint Interfaces:
>>Static Mappings Frame-Relay Multipoint Interfaces: Inverse-ARP & Static
>>Mappings Frame-Relay Point-to-Point Subinterfaces Frame-Relay
>>Point-to-Point Subinterfaces and Main Interfaces:
>>Inverse-ARP
>>Frame-Relay Point-to-Point Subinterfaces and Main Interfaces: Static
>>Mappings Frame-Relay Point-to-Point Subinterfaces and Multipoint
>>Subinterfaces:
>>Inverse-ARP
>>Frame-Relay Point-to-Point Subinterfaces and Multipoint Subinterfaces:
>>Static Mapping
>>Frame-Relay Main Interface: Inverse-ARP, Multipoint Interface:
>>Inverse-ARP
>>Frame-Relay Main Interface: Inverse-ARP, Multipoint Interface: Static
>>Mapping Frame-Relay Main Interface: Static Mapping, Multipoint
>>Interface:
>>Inverse-ARP
>>Frame-Relay Main Interface: Static Mapping, Multipoint Interface:
>>Static Mapping Frame-Relay Hub-and-Spoke, Main Interfaces with
>>Inverse-ARP Frame-Relay Hub-and-Spoke, Main Interfaces w/ Inverse-ARP &
>>Static Mappings Frame-Relay Hub-and-Spoke, Main Interfaces w/ Static
>>Mappings Frame-Relay Hub-and-Spoke, Main Interfaces w/ Inverse-ARP &
>>Point-to-Point Subinterfaces Frame-Relay Hub-and-Spoke, Main Interfaces
>>w/ Static Mappings & Point-to-Point Subinterfaces ATM PVC Main
>>Interface w/ Inverse-ARP ATM PVC Main Interface w/ Static Mapping ATM
>>PVC Main Interface w/ Legacy Static Mapping ATM PVC Multipoint
>>Subinterface w/ Inverse-ARP ATM PVC Multipoint Subinterface w/ Static
>>Mapping ATM PVC Point-to-Point Subinterface ATM PVC Discovery w/ Main
>>Interface ATM PVC Discovery w/ Multipoint Subinterface ATM PVC
>>Discovery w/ Point-to-Point Subinterface ATM SVC Static Mapping w/ Main
>>Interface ATM SVC Static Mapping w/ Main Interface & Static NSAP ATM
>>SVC Static Mapping w/ Multipoint Subinterface ATM SVC CLIP w/ Remote
>>ARP-Server ATM SVC CLIP w/ Local ARP-Server ISDN Layer 2 Connectivity
>>ISDN Legacy DDR ISDN Dialer Profiles ISDN Legacy DDR and Dialer
>>Profiles ISDN Dialer Load-Threshold ISDN Dialer Load-Threshold (II)
>>Legacy DDR with PPP ISDN Legacy DDR without Dialer Maps w/HDLC ISDN
>>Legacy DDR with PPP and Dynamic Dialer Maps ISDN Legacy DDR with PPP
>>PAP Authentication ISDN Legacy DDR with PPP CHAP Authentication Legacy
>>Custom Queueing MQC Bandwidth Legacy Priority Queueing MQC Low Latency
>>Queue Legacy Generic Traffic Shaping MQC Shaping Legacy Frame Relay
>>Traffic Shaping MQC Frame Relay Traffic Shaping Legacy Committed Access
>>Rate MQC Policing
>>DLSw+ TCP Encapsulation
>>DLSw+ FST Encapsulation
>>DLSw+ Direct over Frame Relay
>>DLSw+ Lite over Frame Relay
>>DLSw+ Direct over HDLC
>>
>> If anyone else has any questions related to this product you can
> email
>>me offlist or find me on our chat server at
>>http://www.internetworkexpert.com/chat/
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Brian McGahan, CCIE #8593
>>bmcgahan@internetworkexpert.com
>>
>>Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>>http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
>>Toll Free: 877-224-8987 x 705
>>Outside US: 775-826-4344 x 705
>>24/7 Support: http://forum.internetworkexpert.com
>>Live Chat: http://www.internetworkexpert.com/chat/
>>
>>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
>>Of
>> > David Sloan
>> > Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 7:06 PM
>> > To: ccie2be@nyc.rr.com
>> > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> > Subject: Re: Internetwork Expert and VaporWare
>> >
>> > Because it's their product... Go to their website... It's a new
>>product.
>> >
>> >
>> > >From: "ccie2be" <ccie2be@nyc.rr.com>
>> > >To: "David Sloan" <jadin_321@hotmail.com>, <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>> > >Subject: Re: Internetwork Expert and VaporWare
>> > >Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 20:02:51 -0500
>> > >
>> > >What does the CCIE Routing & Technologies Labs have to do with
>> > Internetwork
>> > >Expert (IE)?
>> > >
>> > >Those guys at IE, Brian Dennis and Brian McGahan, are giants in
>> > networking
>> > >and they've created the best practice labs workbook on the market
>>IMHO.
>> > >
>> > >From the subject line of your post, it sounds like you're
>> > >slandering
>>the
>> > >best ccie prep company out there today.
>> > >
>> > >Tim
>> > >----- Original Message -----
>> > >From: "David Sloan" <jadin_321@hotmail.com>
>> > >To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>> > >Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 7:32 PM
>> > >Subject: Internetwork Expert and VaporWare
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > FYI for anyone interested in subscribing to the "CCIE Routing &
>> > >Technologies
>> > > > Labs."
>> > > >
>> > > > Most of subjects listed under each of the three catagories
>> > > > aren't
>>even
>> > > > available yet. The most rediculous item is this though. The
>>first
>> > >line
>> > >of
>> > > > the description is:
>> > > >
>> > > > "Are you looking to isolate your CCIE lab preparation on an
>>individual
>> > >topic
>> > > > basis? Tired of spending hours setting up a lab topology just to
>>see
>> > how
>> > >BGP
>> > > > works?"
>> > > >
>> > > > You won't find any BGP here... Yet.
>> > > >
>> > > > My advice.. Wait til the vapor materializes.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> >
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>> >
>> >
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