From: Wayne Lawson (groupstudy@ipexpert.net)
Date: Thu Oct 07 2004 - 10:22:51 GMT-3
Tim,
You just described our (IPexpert) CCIE-level e-Scenarios - approximately 80 -
protocol / technology focused lab scenarios....We just gave out free Gold
memberships last month - and will be releasing a completely new set of more than
100 protocol and technology focused 2 to 6-hour lab scenarios in Jan 05. If you
guys want to take a look at these scenarios - email me directly at
wayne@ipexpert.com, and I'll hook up a free Gold membership for you.
Thanks - Wayne
-----Original message-----
From: "ccie2be" ccie2be@nyc.rr.com
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 08:14:09 -0400
To: steve.skinner@uk.pwc.com
Subject: Re: Approach to studying for the lab...
> Hey Steve, Patrick, et al,
>
> I couldn't agree more. Although many of the practice lab workbooks
> available on the market are pretty good ( although personally, I find the IE
> workbook the best by far), the one problem with all these workbooks is that
> topic wise these practice labs are all over the map.
>
> What I believe the ccie prep market still needs but is still missing are
> workbooks that are technology focused.
>
> How great would it be, for example, if someone wanted to practice BGP to
> make sure they knew it cold and could purchase a BGP practice labs workbook
> with 20 + labs just focused on BGP or Redsitribution or IGP's or Multicast
> or Frame Relay or ATM?
>
> In a perfect world, I imagine such a workbook on BGP, for example, would
> include initial config's for all the routers and switches so that all the
> layer 2 and IGP config's are already done. So, someone using such a
> workbook would just copy and paste those initial config's onto each device
> and then focus on BGP. I also imagine that included with such a workbook
> would a be Solution Guide (like IE provides for it's practice labs at no
> extra charge) which would explain how to think about and approach the tasks
> in the lab and include the output of various show and debug commands that
> verify the correctness of the solution.
>
> I think that if such workbooks were already available I would have passed
> the lab on one of my earlier attempts. Maybe it's just me and my style of
> learning but from my own experience, I've found that I don't retain enough
> knowledge on a given topic until I've focuesed on it and practiced it
> extensively and exclusively of other topics.
>
> For example, when I first began preparing for the lab I knew I would have to
> know Multicast. So, I read the Beau Williamson book cover to cover. I also
> took notes on what I read and I reviewed much of the documentation on CCO
> covering Multicast. But, what I didn't do, unfortunately, was then
> immediate apply my knowledge in practice labs. Then, after studying
> Multicast, I moved on to another topic and then another topic and so on.
>
> Then, when I started doing practice labs, I discovered that I couldn't
> remember enough of the details of Multicast to do those topics well in the
> practice labs. And, I had to go back and do a fairly lenghty review of the
> material. The reason being because I hadn't made permenent my knowledge of
> multicast at the time I had studied it. For me, this was the wrong way to
> go about it.
>
> So, to summarize, for me what I've discovered is that to really know the
> material well enough to pass the lab, I need to follow a structured format
> like this.
>
> Learn, review, and practice each topic on it's own starting with the layer 2
> topics and moving on the layer 3, BGP and then the non-core topics like QoS,
> Voip, snmp, etc.
>
> Then, after doing this, go onto doing 8 hour practice labs which cover all
> the topics.
>
> Hopefully, maybe some of the ccie prep vendors have already thought of this
> and are at this very moment developing workbooks of the kind I've just
> described. But, if not, there's nothing that prevents anyone from going
> through any of the existing workbooks on a topic by topic basis on their
> own.
>
> Just my 2 cents,
>
> Tim
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <steve.skinner@uk.pwc.com>
> To: "Patrick Greene" <PatrickG@intellinet.com>
> Cc: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 5:29 AM
> Subject: Re: Approach to studying for the lab...
>
>
> > i find the best way to study is like this
> >
> > 1.go throught the labs and make a note of your weak area`s
> > 2.break up all the major technoloigies your weak in into groups and study
> > them seperatly
> > 3.Re review the labs and make sure you can do them COLD
> >
> > before that i broke up each topic and study 1 topic a week ....
> >
> > i found after my first attempt i was going through labs ...trying to learn
> > all the topic`s in that lab i was weak in ....and just got confused ..
> >
> > HTH
> >
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> > "Patrick Greene"
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> >
> > Please respond to
> > "Patrick Greene"
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I am having a hard time determining what would be the best way to study
> > for the RS Lab. I have the Cisco Lab Prep book and IP Expert. Is it
> > better to review all the labs and their solutions or just start with the
> > labs and research as you run into areas you are weak. Should you keep
> > going through all the labs or should you work on weak points between
> > each lab? I have a home lab which I access when on the road working
> > (5-days a week) so getting rack time is not the problem.
> >
> >
> >
> > Any advise is appreciated.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Patrick
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