From: joshua lauer (jslauer@hotmail.com)
Date: Thu Oct 07 2004 - 12:00:28 GMT-3
I've got good results on those ipexpert individual scenarios, BGP
especially. Plus the explanations are good as well.
josh
Josh Lauer
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne Lawson" <groupstudy@ipexpert.net>
To: "ccie2be" <ccie2be@nyc.rr.com>; <steve.skinner@uk.pwc.com>; "Patrick
Greene" <PatrickG@intellinet.com>
Cc: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 9:22 AM
Subject: Re: Approach to studying for the lab...
> Tim,
>
> You just described our (IPexpert) CCIE-level e-Scenarios - approximately
> 80 -
> protocol / technology focused lab scenarios....We just gave out free Gold
> memberships last month - and will be releasing a completely new set of
> more than
> 100 protocol and technology focused 2 to 6-hour lab scenarios in Jan 05.
> If you
> guys want to take a look at these scenarios - email me directly at
> wayne@ipexpert.com, and I'll hook up a free Gold membership for you.
>
> Thanks - Wayne
>
>
> -----Original message-----
> From: "ccie2be" ccie2be@nyc.rr.com
> Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 08:14:09 -0400
> To: steve.skinner@uk.pwc.com
> Subject: Re: Approach to studying for the lab...
>
>> Hey Steve, Patrick, et al,
>>
>> I couldn't agree more. Although many of the practice lab workbooks
>> available on the market are pretty good ( although personally, I find the
>> IE
>> workbook the best by far), the one problem with all these workbooks is
>> that
>> topic wise these practice labs are all over the map.
>>
>> What I believe the ccie prep market still needs but is still missing are
>> workbooks that are technology focused.
>>
>> How great would it be, for example, if someone wanted to practice BGP to
>> make sure they knew it cold and could purchase a BGP practice labs
>> workbook
>> with 20 + labs just focused on BGP or Redsitribution or IGP's or
>> Multicast
>> or Frame Relay or ATM?
>>
>> In a perfect world, I imagine such a workbook on BGP, for example, would
>> include initial config's for all the routers and switches so that all the
>> layer 2 and IGP config's are already done. So, someone using such a
>> workbook would just copy and paste those initial config's onto each
>> device
>> and then focus on BGP. I also imagine that included with such a workbook
>> would a be Solution Guide (like IE provides for it's practice labs at no
>> extra charge) which would explain how to think about and approach the
>> tasks
>> in the lab and include the output of various show and debug commands that
>> verify the correctness of the solution.
>>
>> I think that if such workbooks were already available I would have passed
>> the lab on one of my earlier attempts. Maybe it's just me and my style
>> of
>> learning but from my own experience, I've found that I don't retain
>> enough
>> knowledge on a given topic until I've focuesed on it and practiced it
>> extensively and exclusively of other topics.
>>
>> For example, when I first began preparing for the lab I knew I would have
>> to
>> know Multicast. So, I read the Beau Williamson book cover to cover. I
>> also
>> took notes on what I read and I reviewed much of the documentation on CCO
>> covering Multicast. But, what I didn't do, unfortunately, was then
>> immediate apply my knowledge in practice labs. Then, after studying
>> Multicast, I moved on to another topic and then another topic and so on.
>>
>> Then, when I started doing practice labs, I discovered that I couldn't
>> remember enough of the details of Multicast to do those topics well in
>> the
>> practice labs. And, I had to go back and do a fairly lenghty review of
>> the
>> material. The reason being because I hadn't made permenent my knowledge
>> of
>> multicast at the time I had studied it. For me, this was the wrong way
>> to
>> go about it.
>>
>> So, to summarize, for me what I've discovered is that to really know the
>> material well enough to pass the lab, I need to follow a structured
>> format
>> like this.
>>
>> Learn, review, and practice each topic on it's own starting with the
>> layer 2
>> topics and moving on the layer 3, BGP and then the non-core topics like
>> QoS,
>> Voip, snmp, etc.
>>
>> Then, after doing this, go onto doing 8 hour practice labs which cover
>> all
>> the topics.
>>
>> Hopefully, maybe some of the ccie prep vendors have already thought of
>> this
>> and are at this very moment developing workbooks of the kind I've just
>> described. But, if not, there's nothing that prevents anyone from going
>> through any of the existing workbooks on a topic by topic basis on their
>> own.
>>
>> Just my 2 cents,
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <steve.skinner@uk.pwc.com>
>> To: "Patrick Greene" <PatrickG@intellinet.com>
>> Cc: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 5:29 AM
>> Subject: Re: Approach to studying for the lab...
>>
>>
>> > i find the best way to study is like this
>> >
>> > 1.go throught the labs and make a note of your weak area`s
>> > 2.break up all the major technoloigies your weak in into groups and
>> > study
>> > them seperatly
>> > 3.Re review the labs and make sure you can do them COLD
>> >
>> > before that i broke up each topic and study 1 topic a week ....
>> >
>> > i found after my first attempt i was going through labs ...trying to
>> > learn
>> > all the topic`s in that lab i was weak in ....and just got confused ..
>> >
>> > HTH
>> >
>> > Stephen Skinner
>> > Senior Network Analyst
>> > PricewaterHouse Coopers LLP
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>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > "Patrick Greene"
>> > <PatrickG@intelline To:
>> <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>> > t.com> cc:
>> > Sent by: Subject: Approach to
>> studying for the lab...
>> > nobody@groupstudy.c
>> > om
>> >
>> >
>> > 06/10/2004 20:54
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Please respond to
>> > "Patrick Greene"
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I am having a hard time determining what would be the best way to study
>> > for the RS Lab. I have the Cisco Lab Prep book and IP Expert. Is it
>> > better to review all the labs and their solutions or just start with
>> > the
>> > labs and research as you run into areas you are weak. Should you keep
>> > going through all the labs or should you work on weak points between
>> > each lab? I have a home lab which I access when on the road working
>> > (5-days a week) so getting rack time is not the problem.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Any advise is appreciated.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > Patrick
>> >
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