From: Ty (tycampbell@comcast.net)
Date: Sat Sep 11 2004 - 12:13:23 GMT-3
I agree to an extent....depending on years of experience
We have people in our organization with degree's in computer science...they
were hired based on their degree.
They did not know how to configure a Cisco router or pix firewall..(talking
basic config here)..they had to be trained.
I don't have a college degree...I was "thrown" into it to learn on my
own...(kind of like...here you go...this is what the customer wants)
If someone doesn't have the drive to learn...I don't think college is going
to help in that case. In the IT industry, I feel that you constantly have to
stay on top of the new technologies coming out, and I strive my best to do
that.
There are people in our organization with years of experience/certs and no
college that can run circles around the people that went to college.
I have 2 years of college. I went back in '83 - '85. I may go back and
finish up, however, with working, family, being on-call 24/7, (which
stipulates..I don't care what you are doing...it needs fixed now, this is a
state government network)..and pursuing my CCIE, I don't have time. There
are jobs in my area that I am very much interested in that require a college
degree OR equivalent work experience. i.e....with my current employer, 4
years of work experience will count as 4 years of college...
Not everyone in the IT world has college experience.
The big thing in my area is "word of mouth", reputation, etc...and I do live
in a major metropolitan area.
I must say that I am not looking into getting into a managerial type
position. I like being a hands-on tech.
I do feel that if someone wants to be in a managerial position, that it
should require a college degree with experience.
I hate seeing the commercials for IT Tech...where the person says...I
graduated from college and six months later, I was the manager for the whole
IT department. I was in college for 2 years...it did not give me the "real
world" valuable experience that I think is just as important as the degree.
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of
joshua lauer
Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 9:37 AM
To: Scott Morris; hcb@gettcomm.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: Failed RS lab [7:92677]
I agree,
college should be a primary focus, I'm currently going to school, doing the
military thing and pursuing certs...Every decent job I've looked at required
a degree as well as certifications. Doesnt mattter what it's in, as long as
you have that piece of paper. Also, If you have a security clearance...this
is gold to employers, especially around the D.C. area.
josh
Josh Lauer
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Morris" <swm@emanon.com>
To: <hcb@gettcomm.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 9:11 AM
Subject: RE: Failed RS lab [7:92677]
> Considering that many employers won't even look at a resume these days if
> you do not have a college degree of some sort on there, I would think that
> should be a primary goal to complete.
>
> Industry membership is nice. Notoriety certainly helps, but all it takes
> is
> one hard-nosed HR person to quash the hiring of the most experiences
> person
> by not being able to check off a required box of "college degree" or
> something like that.
>
> The degree you have doesn't necessarily need to reflect your area of
> expertise. I'm a journalism/photojournalism major, and it's not caused
> any
> issues to this point. But having the college degree helps.
>
> With the economy where it is, many (read: not all) employers are setting
> higher standards and are generally able to stick to them. Look at your
> target job market though, do some research. Decide what it is that you
> want
> to do and then figure out what is necessary to get there! Sometimes in
> our
> professional life we make little pit-stops along the way that may not make
> a
> whole lot of sense but are necessary to make the journey smoother.
>
> HTH,
>
>
> Scott Morris, CCIE4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713, CISSP,
> JNCIP, et al.
> IPExpert CCIE Program Manager
> IPExpert Sr. Technical Instructor
> swm@emanon.com/smorris@ipexpert.net
> http://www.ipexpert.net
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> hcb@gettcomm.com
> Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 1:49 AM
> To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: Failed RS lab [7:92677]
>
> Quoting Cisco Nuts <cisconuts@hotmail.com>:
>
>> Well said..Mike...
>>
>> I have been on this forum for over 6 years and time after time, I read
>> about people who either are bashing the CCIE program or/and College
>> education!! I am sick and tired from hearing from these losers!! The
>> grapes are sour, my friend....is the only thing I can tell these guys!!
>
> I am not intending to "bash." I am trying to inject a note of reality
> into
> quite a number of recent posts on what it means to know a technology.
>>
>> There is simply one thing and only one thing:
>>
>> Have/Get Both !!!!!!!!!!!
>>
>
> Or, either in addition to or instead of, do other things to gain status in
> one's industry. Get active in professional societies (ACM, IEEE).
> Participate in the IETF or NANOG, if just on mailing lists. Speak at trade
> conferences and write for the industry press.
>
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